If you look at the best success stories in the NHL are they based on large management teams like the Leafs or are they based on a couple of good hockey guys making all the decisions. I am actually not sure, but I ask the question based on a gut feeling that the largest management team in the NHL is not going to get it done.
The Brian Burke Thread
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pnjunction
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RedLeaf said:
No one...but someone could try to improve it slower and actually have a chance to get it right.
We're off the rails on Burke's fast track and I fear he's going to try to drive the train back onto the tracks instead of backing up.
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Fanatic said:
I've heard it said that the Leafs were trying to model the front office in the same way Detroit did it 20 years ago with Bowan, Holland and Devellano as the main guys. Of course they already had their franchise player in Yzerman to work with when they took over so it's not a fair comparison.
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RedLeaf said:
Who knows who might be available 9 months from now? Moreover, maybe there's already a handful of guys already available who could could do a better job? How can any of us know for sure? I honestly believe that there are only a small number of guys in the league who could come in here and not produce one lousy playoff game over the same duration and still be safe - for the time being. Burke is a smart hockey man who's enjoyed previous successes but I think he's still here on name only. He's earned his stay of execution but I'm not sure how many Get Out Of Jail Free Cards he has left.
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pnjunction said:
So. You honestly think in this market, with all the fans and media alike, who are all over this team 24/7 wanting a Stanley cup next season, could sit on their collective hands for another 5-10 years, and hope that a total rebuild is the answer? The odds are still slim that that slow and agonizing plan produces a cup.
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RedLeaf said:
Well, it's pretty simple. We can't tell the future so we have to accept a pretty wide range of possibilities. These decisions don't get made based on what we know will happen but what we think could. Do you definitively know which bright young AGM in the NHL these days is the next Ken Holland?
pnjunction
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RedLeaf said:
I see much more frustration about the lack of a proper rebuild and trading away picks than than I do this impatience that everyone talks about. Right now the anger is because we've mortgaged the future and the fixer-upper house we bought is falling apart. If people saw that we were building from the foundation up I think they would be more patient.
How can we know how patient the fans are for a rebuild when it's never been seriously attempted. Half of our first rounders over the last decade (and a bunch of 2nd rounders) traded away with little to show for it (yes Kessel is good but it means little if the team is still a loser as a whole, the 3 high quality prospects we gave up will be much more valuable).
Our chances on the current path are beyond slim, I'd say non-existent. We will not win a cup during Kessel's contract and the Bruins will still have rights to 3 very good young players. To say people like me lack the patience when it's never really been tested is insulting.
I think MLSE is much more impatient for playoff revenue than fans like me who would rather see the time taken to get it right. Tank Nation would have been ecstatic about the 2010 finish if Burke hadn't blown his wad (of picks) before the season started.
Kin
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RedLeaf said:
Should be easy to quote, then, where I said anything of the sort. I said that all sorts of people might be able to improve the team faster. Nothing about complete and utter failure or that a change would definitely make things better fast.
If you want to be taken seriously, it's probably best not to be a bold-faced liar.
pnjunction said:
Wait, Kessel aside how did the Leafs mortgage their future under Burke?
I see little patience for a true rebuild though, not pointing at you when I say that either, just in general. There are definitely people on this site that have promoted it and could live with some awful hockey to that end but I don't see the average Leafs fan thinking like that, fwiw.
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Saint Nik said:
And if you want to be taken seriously you shouldn't make implications that you later deny to the death. Ive been down this path with you. You beat around the bushes and wait for someone to call you out on something. I'm bored with the games Nik. Tell us what you think the Leafs need to do in the off season to be successful and be done with it. What should they do??
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