OldTimeHockey said:See, wasn't it easier to just agree with me ;D
I feel...I don't know...I guess kind of dirty though.
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OldTimeHockey said:See, wasn't it easier to just agree with me ;D
Significantly Insignificant said:OldTimeHockey said:See, wasn't it easier to just agree with me ;D
I feel...I don't know...I guess kind of dirty though.
OldTimeHockey said:Significantly Insignificant said:OldTimeHockey said:See, wasn't it easier to just agree with me ;D
I feel...I don't know...I guess kind of dirty though.
It doesn't wash off either.
OldTimeHockey said:Hey I know, let's have this debate in 2 months..then 2 months after that...then 2 months after that...
This has been spun into the ground. Some think Kessel is better than he is. Some think Kessel is worse than he is...I think it will be better when you all come to realize he's exactly what I think he is as I'm generally correct in assessing talent
dm_for_pm said:OldTimeHockey said:Hey I know, let's have this debate in 2 months..then 2 months after that...then 2 months after that...
This has been spun into the ground. Some think Kessel is better than he is. Some think Kessel is worse than he is...I think it will be better when you all come to realize he's exactly what I think he is as I'm generally correct in assessing talent
So he's a point-per-game player?
Nik V. Debs said:In sort of the same sense that Andrew Raycroft is a 37 win goalie.
Bullfrog said:Nik V. Debs said:In sort of the same sense that Andrew Raycroft is a 37 win goalie.
ah, no.
Nik V. Debs said:dm_for_pm said:OldTimeHockey said:Hey I know, let's have this debate in 2 months..then 2 months after that...then 2 months after that...
This has been spun into the ground. Some think Kessel is better than he is. Some think Kessel is worse than he is...I think it will be better when you all come to realize he's exactly what I think he is as I'm generally correct in assessing talent
So he's a point-per-game player?
In sort of the same sense that Andrew Raycroft is a 37 win goalie.
Significantly Insignificant said:The Leafs should never trade with Boston again.
Champ Kind said:dm_for_pm said:RedLeaf said:Significantly Insignificant said:RedLeaf said:A four year breakdown.......
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/01/pressure-will-be-on-leafs-gm-burke
I disagree with this statement:
"That said, he has clearly been a winner in his trades, helping to balance off the shortcomings in free agency."
The Beauchemin trade for Lupul and Gardiner was pure robbery. Can anyone think of a bigger heist over the past few years in the NHL? Anaheim was fleeced in that deal, and that, at least to me, makes up the for slim pickings that he's picked up in free agency.
What was a bigger fleece? The Beauchemin trade or the Kessel trade?
My mother always told me to never answer a question with a question, but here I go anyway:
What was a bigger fleece, the Kessel deal or the Kaberle deal?
(We can all play this game if we want)
Nik V. Debs said:Bullfrog said:Nik V. Debs said:In sort of the same sense that Andrew Raycroft is a 37 win goalie.
ah, no.
Um, yes?
Bullfrog said:Nik V. Debs said:Bullfrog said:Nik V. Debs said:In sort of the same sense that Andrew Raycroft is a 37 win goalie.
ah, no.
Um, yes?
I'll give it to you since you said "sort of," but otherwise that's just a deliberate misuse or misleading use of facts.
Yes, Raycroft only achieved that fact once, but he only had an 89.4 save percentage and anyone who objectively watched his performance that year would say he was mediocre, decent at best.
Though Kessel has only achieved the ppg rate once in his career, I think it's safe to assume he's a bonafide offensive star in this league. You can count on 30 goals from him and it really appears that the ppg rate (or close to it) will be more of the trend than the exception. Additionally, his overall game is improving.
So while saying he's a ppg player like Raycroft is a 37 game winner is historically correct, it's clearly not an apt comparison. Why not just say, "he's only been a ppg player once." No comparison needed.
Snoop Lion said:Champ Kind said:dm_for_pm said:RedLeaf said:Significantly Insignificant said:RedLeaf said:A four year breakdown.......
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/01/pressure-will-be-on-leafs-gm-burke
I disagree with this statement:
"That said, he has clearly been a winner in his trades, helping to balance off the shortcomings in free agency."
The Beauchemin trade for Lupul and Gardiner was pure robbery. Can anyone think of a bigger heist over the past few years in the NHL? Anaheim was fleeced in that deal, and that, at least to me, makes up the for slim pickings that he's picked up in free agency.
What was a bigger fleece? The Beauchemin trade or the Kessel trade?
My mother always told me to never answer a question with a question, but here I go anyway:
What was a bigger fleece, the Kessel deal or the Kaberle deal?
(We can all play this game if we want)
I don't know if I'd call the Kaberle deal a fleecing.
The Leafs got good value, sure... but out of the package they got - Colborne + picks #30+54 - that seems like a pretty ordinary return.
Champ Kind said:Snoop Lion said:Champ Kind said:dm_for_pm said:RedLeaf said:Significantly Insignificant said:RedLeaf said:A four year breakdown.......
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/01/pressure-will-be-on-leafs-gm-burke
I disagree with this statement:
"That said, he has clearly been a winner in his trades, helping to balance off the shortcomings in free agency."
The Beauchemin trade for Lupul and Gardiner was pure robbery. Can anyone think of a bigger heist over the past few years in the NHL? Anaheim was fleeced in that deal, and that, at least to me, makes up the for slim pickings that he's picked up in free agency.
What was a bigger fleece? The Beauchemin trade or the Kessel trade?
My mother always told me to never answer a question with a question, but here I go anyway:
What was a bigger fleece, the Kessel deal or the Kaberle deal?
(We can all play this game if we want)
I don't know if I'd call the Kaberle deal a fleecing.
The Leafs got good value, sure... but out of the package they got - Colborne + picks #30+54 - that seems like a pretty ordinary return.
Did you see what Kaberle did in the B's playoff run? What he's done since then? That Burke got that package for him is incredible.
Snoop Lion said:Kaberle was certainly a disappointment; on the other hand, Colborne seems to be approaching that status as well. The picks are nice, but it just seems like too ordinary of a return to call it a fleecing.
OldTimeHockey said:Snoop Lion said:Kaberle was certainly a disappointment; on the other hand, Colborne seems to be approaching that status as well. The picks are nice, but it just seems like too ordinary of a return to call it a fleecing.
Is he really approaching that status? Already? Is this not just an overreaction by a Leaf fan population that has yet to see any of their strong prospects turn out as good as they were suppose to?