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The Matthews Extension

By the way guys, if you come to my band's next show, I can offer you a 30% discount off your subscription to the Athletic. :P
 
Zee said:
Yeah I know.  I wonder if offer sheets are more common than we think but you don't hear about it because player X doesn't ever accept it.  Let's say Vancouver comes to Nylander and presents an offer sheet and Nylander says "no thanks" and never signs it, would we even hear about it?
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My guess is no but only because I don't think teams would just offer them unsolicited. I think for teams to actually make those offers there first needs to be a real deterioration in the relationship between player and team, to the point where signing the offer sheet becomes a real possibility.

Along those lines, I think teams and agents know before RFA status hits whether or not that's going to happen. We saw it with Carolina in trading Lindholm after reports were they were nowhere close on a deal and we saw it when Boston traded Dougie Hamilton only for Hamilton to sign a few days later. If teams really think they can't re-sign a guy, for cap or other reasons, they're likely to move beforehand.

I think one of the things that's changed re: RFAs and offer sheets is that it used to be that it was seen as a way to put pressure on teams either by forcing them to pay guys more than they wanted(Penner) or forcing them to pay more than they could when they were up against the cap(Which was all the Kessel talk) but I think both of those things really changed the way teams do business. The Penner deal was bad enough that teams decided that maybe overpaying for middling talent wasn't a great idea in the first place and while the Kessel thing ultimately worked out for Boston that was more luck than anything. If the Leafs had been good those two years post-trade then Boston would have lost a top tier scorer for a pretty crummy return. So now teams would more likely just do what they can to make room for a Kessel contract.

Which, again, brings me back to why I think the offer sheet market is so dead. It's only useful if teams won't match and teams only won't match if the deal is a terrible one for the team. In either case, there's no point to avail yourself of it.
 
herman said:
Michael said:
Mirtle - The Athletic
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That was a lot of words to say he gon' get paid in this range: McDavid > Matthews ~ Tavares > Eichel.
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I don't subscribe to the Athletic, so I don't know if they touched on this, but now that Tavares got 93% of his money paid before the season starts, I'm wondering if the next bunch of big wheels angle for the same structure.
 
The quoted text is from an Athletic article by Craig Custance:

https://twitter.com/DownGoesBrown/status/1019328781826363394

Hmmm, it feels like someone here was just saying that.
 
Nik the Trik said:
The quoted text is from an Athletic article by Craig Custance:

https://twitter.com/DownGoesBrown/status/1019328781826363394

Hmmm, it feels like someone here was just saying that.
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Significantly Insignificant said:
Nik the Trik said:
Zee said:
What would the compensation be if someone offer sheeted Marner? 5 first round picks?
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The biggest RFA compensation is 4 first rounders:

https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-calculator

And like I said, you'd match any Matthews offer sheet and Marner really doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who'd sign an offer sheet and bail on his hometown team and playing on Tavares' wing.
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I think Down Goes Brown had an article that said the problem with the RFA system is that the compensation isn't higher.  The reasoning behind this was that it's a no-brainer to just match the offer.  If the compensation was higher, then the GM may actually have to think about whether or not they wanted to match it and it may lead to more RFA offer sheets.
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https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1022617832972906496

I think his asking price can only go up with another season under his belt, so I'm all for this getting done now.
 
Coco-puffs said:
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1022617832972906496

I think his asking price can only go up with another season under his belt, so I'm all for this getting done now.
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I don't think it will go up much if any. Matthews is going to be paid in or around 11mill regardless of this year. Marner on the other hand is the one we'd like done now. His price could go up substantially with a monster year. 
 
Guilt Trip said:
I don't think it will go up much if any. Matthews is going to be paid in or around 11mill regardless of this year. Marner on the other hand is the one we'd like done now. His price could go up substantially with a monster year.
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I think Matthews is going to get paid whatever he wants, up to and including league max. The only deduction will be what the leafs can convince him to leave on the table to keep a strong team together.

Marner I'm not particularly worried about, he seems to be pretty much in love with his lot in life here, and I'm sure they'll get something done on the reasonable side for both.

Nylander, to me, is the most interesting situation. I think that the leafs have more of a ceiling there that they wouldn't be willing to go above, and he seems like the least likely to take an overly team friendly contract (with no basis for this thought, other than hunch). I'm guessing bridge deal for now.
 
I think we get Mathews cheaper then everyone thinks.  As Traveres is on his main contract aka the big one. but Mathews is only on his first pay day. the big big bucks will come on his next one, and the same for the other two.  I think everyone is over blowing the amount they should get. 
 
I see no way Matthew's takes less than Eichel which isnt that much less than Tavares.
nutman said:
I think we get Mathews cheaper then everyone thinks.  As Traveres is on his main contract aka the big one. but Mathews is only on his first pay day. the big big bucks will come on his next one, and the same for the other two.  I think everyone is over blowing the amount they should get.
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Bates said:
I see no way Matthew's takes less than Eichel which isnt that much less than Tavares.
nutman said:
I think we get Mathews cheaper then everyone thinks.  As Traveres is on his main contract aka the big one. but Mathews is only on his first pay day. the big big bucks will come on his next one, and the same for the other two.  I think everyone is over blowing the amount they should get.
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perhaps a smidgen more than Brad Pitt or a fraction less then Tom Cruise.
 
Bates said:
I see no way Matthew's takes less than Eichel which isnt that much less than Tavares.
nutman said:
I think we get Mathews cheaper then everyone thinks.  As Traveres is on his main contract aka the big one. but Mathews is only on his first pay day. the big big bucks will come on his next one, and the same for the other two.  I think everyone is over blowing the amount they should get.
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Yup. He's getting more the Eichel and is clearly the better player. Id be surprised if he got McDavid cash tho. Don't see it happening. JT money? Absolutely.
 
cabber24 said:
Not our fault Buffalo overpaid Eichel.
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I'm pretty sure that's how this works. If another team signs a deal that could adversely affect the  salary structure Dubas wants he just has to call shenanigans three times and Matthews' agent is forbidden from bringing it up in negotiations.
 
herman said:
Frank E said:
So, what was the criteria?
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Plays centre, and active in the NHL?

https://www.nhl.com/news/top-20-centers-nhl-top-players/c-290707570
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It be better if you provided THIS years list instead of last... (which he was 4th on as well)

https://www.nhl.com/news/top-20-centers-nhl-top-players-2018-19/c-299666242

 
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