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The "Mr. T" Man of the Match Thread, 2016-17 Edition + PLAYOFFS!!!

herman said:
Andersen stuck out for me a bit because he had to pull out a penalty shot save right off the bat, and weathered a 5-on-3 (with big thanks to Polak and Zaitsev) against Malkin-Kessel-Crosby, on top of making a couple of breakaway chances throughout the game look routine.
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Didn't the Penguins only have a couple shots on the entire 5 on 3? That struck me as a kill that was very much on the defense rather than Andersen.

Anyways, that chart to me seems to be sort of reflective of what I'm saying. We give skaters credit for things that do happen, we give goalies credit for things that don't happen. Did Zaitsev's puck taking a lucky bounce really mean he had that sort of impact on the game? did the fact that none of the Penguins got similarly lucky mean that Andersen was great as opposed to good?
 
Nik the Trik said:
herman said:
Andersen stuck out for me a bit because he had to pull out a penalty shot save right off the bat, and weathered a 5-on-3 (with big thanks to Polak and Zaitsev) against Malkin-Kessel-Crosby, on top of making a couple of breakaway chances throughout the game look routine.
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Didn't the Penguins only have a couple shots on the entire 5 on 3? That struck me as a kill that was very much on the defense rather than Andersen.

Anyways, that chart to me seems to be sort of reflective of what I'm saying. We give skaters credit for things that do happen, we give goalies credit for things that don't happen. Did Zaitsev's puck taking a lucky bounce really mean he had that sort of impact on the game? did the fact that none of the Penguins got similarly lucky mean that Andersen was great as opposed to good?
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Since I run this supposedly zero-stakes game I would just say to Andy that yeah, the rewards are low but not zero.  MotM is not empirical in any way but it still measures the esteem with which players are held by this small slice of the Nation.

As for rating players' performance game by game, there's a million ways to slice that salami.  One reason we have a differential point system for forwards-vs-defense-vs-goalies is to try to (very crudely) account for people's tendencies to assign credit for a good performance.  As Nik intimates, it's very easy to credit the goalie -- most games you win, the goalie has played reasonably well.  Only rarely does a d-man get a MotM in a win.  Polak's, last night, was well deserved I think.  Shutting down a 2-minute 5/3 is like scoring 4 goals in a game IMO.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Just in the interest of being contentious I think anyone who said Andersen last night sort of highlights why it's tricky to measure goalies vs. skaters in something like this. I think Andersen was pretty good last night but he wasn't incredible and I think a lot of guys had games that rise above "pretty good" in context.
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Well if it is worth anything Anderson was named the #1 star at the rink.... i thought he was real good..
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Game #20?WSH v TOR: Leafs 4-2.  MotM: Marner 12/2.  HM: Kadri 5/6. Others: Andersen 2/4, Martin 0/3, Soshnikov 0/2, Polak 0/1, Rielly 0/1.
Game #21?TOR v EDM: Leafs 4-2.  MotM: Hyman 14/0 (unanimous).  HM: Andersen 0/13.  Others: Kadri 0/1.
Game #22?TOR v CGY: Flames 3-0.  MotM: Nylander 4/1.  HM: Matthews 1/3.  Others: Carrick 0/1, Marner 2/0, Bozak 0/1, Hunwick 0/1.
Game #23?TOR v VAN: Nux 3-2 SO.  MotM: Matthews 10/0 (unanimous).  HM: Gardiner 0/3.  Others: Marincin 0/2, Bozak 0/2, Brown 0/1, van Riemsdyk 0/1, Marner 0/1.
Game #24?MIN v TOR: Wild 3-2.  MotM: Bozak 4/2.  HM: Matthews 4/1.  Others: Marner 1/2, Kadri 0/2, Andersen 0/2.
Game #25?TOR v BOS: Leafs 4-1.  MotM: Andersen 11/1.  HM: Nylander 1/6, Hunwick 0/4, Brown 0/1.
Game #26?COL v TOR: Avs 3-1.  MotM: Gardiner 9/1.  HM: Nylander 1/3.  HM: Bibeau 0/3, Zaitsev 0/1, Matthews 0/1, Soshnikov 0/1.
Game #27?SJS v TOR: Sharks 3-2 SO.  MotM:  Matthews 4/6.  HM: Nylander 4/1.  Other: Andersen 2/2, Hyman 1/3.
Game #28?ARI v TOR: Sandpups 3-2 SO.  MotM: Matthews 3/2.  HM: Andersen 1/3.  Others: Marner 0/2, Hyman 0/1.
Game #29?PIT v TOR: Leafs 2-1 OT.  MotM: Polak 10/1.  HM: Andersen 3/4.  Others: Marner 2/5, Gardiner 0/2, Zaitsev 0/2.
Game #30:?ANA v TOR:

MotM/Win MotM/Loss HonMen Accolades Times Voted Points
Forwards
42 Tyler Bozak 1 1 0 2 9 5
12 Connor Brown 1 0 0 0 7 3
33 Seth Griifith 0 0 0 0 1 0
24 Peter Holland 0 0 0 0 0 0
11 Zach Hyman 1 0 2 3 10 5
43 Nazem Kadri 1 1 3 5 12 8
47 Leo Komarov 0 0 0 0 6 0
16 Mitch Marner 3 0 5 8 17 14
15 Matt Martin 0 0 0 0 2 0
34 Auston Matthews 0 6 4 10 14 16
18 Milan Michalek 0 0 0 0 0 0
29 William Nylander 0 6 4 10 12 16
26 Nikita Soshnikov 0 1 0 0 5 2
18 Ben Smith 0 0 0 0 0 0
25 James van Riemsdyk 1 0 0 0 5 3
 
Defensemen
8 Connor Carrick 0 0 0 0 4 0
20 Frank Corrado 0 0 0 0 0 0
51 Jake Gardiner 0 2 2 4 7 10
2 Matt Hunwick 0 0 0 0 3 0
52 Martin Marincin 0 0 0 0 3 0
46 Roman Polak 1 0 1 2 4 6
44 Morgan Rielly 1 0 0 0 4 4
22 Nikita Zaitsev 0 0 0 0 7 0
 
Goalkeepers
31 Frederik Andersen 2 1 9 12 20 11.0
30 Antoine Bibeau 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
35 Jhonas Enroth 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
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Something isn't computing with the man of the match, the Pittsburgh game was game #30 not 29.
 
Zee said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Game #20?WSH v TOR: Leafs 4-2.  MotM: Marner 12/2.  HM: Kadri 5/6. Others: Andersen 2/4, Martin 0/3, Soshnikov 0/2, Polak 0/1, Rielly 0/1.
Game #21?TOR v EDM: Leafs 4-2.  MotM: Hyman 14/0 (unanimous).  HM: Andersen 0/13.  Others: Kadri 0/1.
Game #22?TOR v CGY: Flames 3-0.  MotM: Nylander 4/1.  HM: Matthews 1/3.  Others: Carrick 0/1, Marner 2/0, Bozak 0/1, Hunwick 0/1.
Game #23?TOR v VAN: Nux 3-2 SO.  MotM: Matthews 10/0 (unanimous).  HM: Gardiner 0/3.  Others: Marincin 0/2, Bozak 0/2, Brown 0/1, van Riemsdyk 0/1, Marner 0/1.
Game #24?MIN v TOR: Wild 3-2.  MotM: Bozak 4/2.  HM: Matthews 4/1.  Others: Marner 1/2, Kadri 0/2, Andersen 0/2.
Game #25?TOR v BOS: Leafs 4-1.  MotM: Andersen 11/1.  HM: Nylander 1/6, Hunwick 0/4, Brown 0/1.
Game #26?COL v TOR: Avs 3-1.  MotM: Gardiner 9/1.  HM: Nylander 1/3.  HM: Bibeau 0/3, Zaitsev 0/1, Matthews 0/1, Soshnikov 0/1.
Game #27?SJS v TOR: Sharks 3-2 SO.  MotM:  Matthews 4/6.  HM: Nylander 4/1.  Other: Andersen 2/2, Hyman 1/3.
Game #28?ARI v TOR: Sandpups 3-2 SO.  MotM: Matthews 3/2.  HM: Andersen 1/3.  Others: Marner 0/2, Hyman 0/1.
Game #29?PIT v TOR: Leafs 2-1 OT.  MotM: Polak 10/1.  HM: Andersen 3/4.  Others: Marner 2/5, Gardiner 0/2, Zaitsev 0/2.
Game #30:?ANA v TOR:

MotM/Win MotM/Loss HonMen Accolades Times Voted Points
Forwards
42 Tyler Bozak 1 1 0 2 9 5
12 Connor Brown 1 0 0 0 7 3
33 Seth Griifith 0 0 0 0 1 0
24 Peter Holland 0 0 0 0 0 0
11 Zach Hyman 1 0 2 3 10 5
43 Nazem Kadri 1 1 3 5 12 8
47 Leo Komarov 0 0 0 0 6 0
16 Mitch Marner 3 0 5 8 17 14
15 Matt Martin 0 0 0 0 2 0
34 Auston Matthews 0 6 4 10 14 16
18 Milan Michalek 0 0 0 0 0 0
29 William Nylander 0 6 4 10 12 16
26 Nikita Soshnikov 0 1 0 0 5 2
18 Ben Smith 0 0 0 0 0 0
25 James van Riemsdyk 1 0 0 0 5 3
 
Defensemen
8 Connor Carrick 0 0 0 0 4 0
20 Frank Corrado 0 0 0 0 0 0
51 Jake Gardiner 0 2 2 4 7 10
2 Matt Hunwick 0 0 0 0 3 0
52 Martin Marincin 0 0 0 0 3 0
46 Roman Polak 1 0 1 2 4 6
44 Morgan Rielly 1 0 0 0 4 4
22 Nikita Zaitsev 0 0 0 0 7 0
 
Goalkeepers
31 Frederik Andersen 2 1 9 12 20 11.0
30 Antoine Bibeau 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
35 Jhonas Enroth 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
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Something isn't computing with the man of the match, the Pittsburgh game was game #30 not 29.
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Washington game was #21, not #20.  The rest is off from there.
 
Coco-puffs said:
Zee said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Game #20?WSH v TOR: Leafs 4-2.  MotM: Marner 12/2.  HM: Kadri 5/6. Others: Andersen 2/4, Martin 0/3, Soshnikov 0/2, Polak 0/1, Rielly 0/1.
Game #21?TOR v EDM: Leafs 4-2.  MotM: Hyman 14/0 (unanimous).  HM: Andersen 0/13.  Others: Kadri 0/1.
Game #22?TOR v CGY: Flames 3-0.  MotM: Nylander 4/1.  HM: Matthews 1/3.  Others: Carrick 0/1, Marner 2/0, Bozak 0/1, Hunwick 0/1.
Game #23?TOR v VAN: Nux 3-2 SO.  MotM: Matthews 10/0 (unanimous).  HM: Gardiner 0/3.  Others: Marincin 0/2, Bozak 0/2, Brown 0/1, van Riemsdyk 0/1, Marner 0/1.
Game #24?MIN v TOR: Wild 3-2.  MotM: Bozak 4/2.  HM: Matthews 4/1.  Others: Marner 1/2, Kadri 0/2, Andersen 0/2.
Game #25?TOR v BOS: Leafs 4-1.  MotM: Andersen 11/1.  HM: Nylander 1/6, Hunwick 0/4, Brown 0/1.
Game #26?COL v TOR: Avs 3-1.  MotM: Gardiner 9/1.  HM: Nylander 1/3.  HM: Bibeau 0/3, Zaitsev 0/1, Matthews 0/1, Soshnikov 0/1.
Game #27?SJS v TOR: Sharks 3-2 SO.  MotM:  Matthews 4/6.  HM: Nylander 4/1.  Other: Andersen 2/2, Hyman 1/3.
Game #28?ARI v TOR: Sandpups 3-2 SO.  MotM: Matthews 3/2.  HM: Andersen 1/3.  Others: Marner 0/2, Hyman 0/1.
Game #29?PIT v TOR: Leafs 2-1 OT.  MotM: Polak 10/1.  HM: Andersen 3/4.  Others: Marner 2/5, Gardiner 0/2, Zaitsev 0/2.
Game #30:?ANA v TOR:

MotM/Win MotM/Loss HonMen Accolades Times Voted Points
Forwards
42 Tyler Bozak 1 1 0 2 9 5
12 Connor Brown 1 0 0 0 7 3
33 Seth Griifith 0 0 0 0 1 0
24 Peter Holland 0 0 0 0 0 0
11 Zach Hyman 1 0 2 3 10 5
43 Nazem Kadri 1 1 3 5 12 8
47 Leo Komarov 0 0 0 0 6 0
16 Mitch Marner 3 0 5 8 17 14
15 Matt Martin 0 0 0 0 2 0
34 Auston Matthews 0 6 4 10 14 16
18 Milan Michalek 0 0 0 0 0 0
29 William Nylander 0 6 4 10 12 16
26 Nikita Soshnikov 0 1 0 0 5 2
18 Ben Smith 0 0 0 0 0 0
25 James van Riemsdyk 1 0 0 0 5 3
 
Defensemen
8 Connor Carrick 0 0 0 0 4 0
20 Frank Corrado 0 0 0 0 0 0
51 Jake Gardiner 0 2 2 4 7 10
2 Matt Hunwick 0 0 0 0 3 0
52 Martin Marincin 0 0 0 0 3 0
46 Roman Polak 1 0 1 2 4 6
44 Morgan Rielly 1 0 0 0 4 4
22 Nikita Zaitsev 0 0 0 0 7 0
 
Goalkeepers
31 Frederik Andersen 2 1 9 12 20 11.0
30 Antoine Bibeau 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
35 Jhonas Enroth 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
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Something isn't computing with the man of the match, the Pittsburgh game was game #30 not 29.
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Washington game was #21, not #20.  The rest is off from there.
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Thanks, I'll fix.

Tonite:

MotM: Kadri
HM: Matthews
 
MotM:  Auston (the one-handed wonder)
Hm:    Kadri

Mentions to Gauthier, Andersen, Zattsev, Hyman, Brown, Reilly, Hunwick.
 
Game #31?ANA v TOR: Dux 3-2.  MotM: Matthews 8/3.  HM: Kadri 3/6.  Others: Andersen 01/, Gauthier 0/1.
Game #32?TOR v COL:

MotM/Win MotM/Loss HonMen Accolades Times Voted Points
Forwards
42 Tyler Bozak 1 1 0 2 9 5
12 Connor Brown 1 0 0 0 7 3
33 Seth Griifith 0 0 0 0 1 0
24 Peter Holland 0 0 0 0 0 0
33 Frederick Gauthier 0 0 0 0 0 0
11 Zach Hyman 1 0 2 3 10 5
43 Nazem Kadri 1 1 4 6 13 9
32 Josh Leivo 0 0 0 0 0 0
47 Leo Komarov 0 0 0 0 6 0
16 Mitch Marner 3 0 5 8 17 14
15 Matt Martin 0 0 0 0 2 0
34 Auston Matthews 0 7 4 11 15 18
18 Milan Michalek 0 0 0 0 0 0
29 William Nylander 0 6 4 10 12 16
26 Nikita Soshnikov 0 1 0 0 5 2
18 Ben Smith 0 0 0 0 0 0
25 James van Riemsdyk 1 0 0 0 5 3
 
Defensemen
8 Connor Carrick 0 0 0 0 4 0
20 Frank Corrado 0 0 0 0 0 0
51 Jake Gardiner 0 2 2 4 7 10
2 Matt Hunwick 0 0 0 0 3 0
52 Martin Marincin 0 0 0 0 3 0
46 Roman Polak 1 0 1 2 4 6
44 Morgan Rielly 1 0 0 0 4 4
22 Nikita Zaitsev 0 0 0 0 7 0
 
Goalkeepers
31 Frederik Andersen 2 1 9 12 20 11.0
30 Antoine Bibeau 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
35 Jhonas Enroth 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
 
MotM: James van Riemsdyk, one of the most valuable forwards in the league in my estimation and someone whom any GM should covet willingly at a high price at the trade deadline.
HM: The Danefred.
 
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