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The Official 2012 MLB Thread

Sgt said:
Apparently the Yanks have acquired Ichiro?  :o ... I'm not seeing anything firm yet though.

Edit: Could be false (apologies if so.)
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According YES, they have, and for relatively cheap, as well. Though, to be fair, Ichiro is not the same calibre player he used to be. He's below average offensively these days.
 
bustaheims said:
Sgt said:
Apparently the Yanks have acquired Ichiro?  :o ... I'm not seeing anything firm yet though.

Edit: Could be false (apologies if so.)
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According YES, they have, and for relatively cheap, as well. Though, to be fair, Ichiro is not the same calibre player he used to be. He's below average offensively these days.
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Yeah, he's not the same player for sure. Still, it helps the Yankees and that's never a good thing. 
 
Ichiro is a mediocre player now, but the Mariners really got a terrible return.

Farquhar is waiver fodder and DJ Mitchell might be able to land a full time role in the 'pen. I would have thought that Ichiro would be worth a B level prospect not two 25 year old AAAA pitchers.
 
#1PilarFan said:
Ichiro is a mediocre player now, but the Mariners really got a terrible return.

Farquhar is waiver fodder and DJ Mitchell might be able to land a full time role in the 'pen. I would have thought that Ichiro would be worth a B level prospect not two 25 year old AAAA pitchers.
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He's basically a replacement level player making 18 million a year. How much is that realistically worth?
 
#1PilarFan said:
Ichiro is a mediocre player now, but the Mariners really got a terrible return.

Farquhar is waiver fodder and DJ Mitchell might be able to land a full time role in the 'pen. I would have thought that Ichiro would be worth a B level prospect not two 25 year old AAAA pitchers.
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Mitchell is a B level prospect.
 
#1PilarFan said:
It only takes one guy to overvalue Ichiro.
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Yeah, but thinking a guy is better than his numbers is one thing, paying him like that is something else.
 
Nik? said:
Yeah, but thinking a guy is better than his numbers is one thing, paying him like that is something else.
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Hey don't get me wrong, I don't think Ichiro is worth anything.

But I am pretty accustomed to seeing MLB GMs overpaying for mediocre veteran talent.
 
#1PilarFan said:
Hey don't get me wrong, I don't think Ichiro is worth anything.

But I am pretty accustomed to seeing MLB GMs overpaying for mediocre veteran talent.
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Eh, Moneyball. It's changing everything.

In related news, Ben Gibbard apparently wrote a charming little pop ditty in tribute to Ichiro because of course he did.

Ichiro's Theme

It's not the worst song in the world.
 
#1PilarFan said:
Seriously? A 25 year old tweener with mediocre stuff?

I'd hate to see what you consider a C level prospect.
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C level would be a guy without real potential to be a full-time big league player. While Mitchell likely won't be more than a middle relief bullpen guy, he still has potential to at least be that (so does Farquhar, if we're being honest - enough teams have wanted him to put claims in on him, so they must see something there).
 
I'm confused as to where you got that definition of B and C level prospects. I feel like we're arguing semantics, but I've never seen anybody who would consider a guy like Mitchell qualify as a "B" level prospect. I mean, if he did, wouldn't he show up on top prospect lists? Because a B, in case you're unclear, is a usually a pretty talented guy. He just doesn't have star potential like As.

These guys are closer to Ds, which should, by definition, be a barely passable MLB player.
 
Nik? said:
Cole Hamels is apparently off the market. 6 years/144 million.
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http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=401400

Really, a fairly ridiculous amount for someone who, until this year, is one of the 'good-not-great- lefties in the game.  When Sabathia got his monster deals from the Yankees, there was a consistent body of work behind the decision.  But almost $25M / year for a pitcher who never achieved more than 15 wins in a year?  Yikes.
 
Champ Kind said:
Really, a fairly ridiculous amount for someone who, until this year, is one of the 'good-not-great- lefties in the game.  When Sabathia got his monster deals from the Yankees, there was a consistent body of work behind the decision.  But almost $25M / year for a pitcher who never achieved more than 15 wins in a year?  Yikes.
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I think it's a lot, obviously, but I think Hamels is a little better than you're giving him credit for. He's coming off of seasons of a 5.3 and 6.2 bWAR. Sabathia, when he signed his deal, was coming off of seasons of a 6.0 and 6.4 so they're comparable even if the edge goes to Sabathia. He's also got a significantly better post-season record than Sabathia too.
 
Champ Kind said:
Really, a fairly ridiculous amount for someone who, until this year, is one of the 'good-not-great- lefties in the game.  When Sabathia got his monster deals from the Yankees, there was a consistent body of work behind the decision.  But almost $25M / year for a pitcher who never achieved more than 15 wins in a year?  Yikes.
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Like with goalies, wins is not a very good stat to judge pitchers by, as it's a team accomplishment, not an individual one. One the other hand, Hamels has only had one season with an ERA+ below 115, only 2 with it below 133 (not included this year, as it's incomplete) and only twice posted a WHIP over 1.18. He doesn't walk a lot of guys, doesn't give up a ton of hits or runs and has pitched well in the post-season. He's been much more than one of the "good-not-great" lefties in the game - he's been one of the better left-handed starters in baseball. It's a big contract, no doubt, but it's really not that far out of line with his performances on the field and how other pitchers of his calibre are getting paid.
 
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