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Nik? said:Just to follow that thought up, compared to Sabathia Hamels has a better WHIP, standard ERA, K/9, BB/9, H/9, K/BB and the exact same ERA+. Really the only edges Sabathia has is giving up fewer homeruns and throwing more innings.
Champ Kind said:So is Matt Cain, for example, who is making less than Hamels.
Champ Kind said:Well, and the fact that Sabathia has won more games - alot more games. That, and he's a Cy Young award winner.
Champ Kind said:I defer to your and others' more detailed knowledge of baseball stats, but I don't think a pitcher (or any player, for that matter, regardless of sport) can be reduced to mere statistics. I think wins matter (see Dave Stewart and Jack Morris). I also think Sabathia is a better pitcher than Hamels. So is Matt Cain, for example, who is making less than Hamels.
bustaheims said:Champ Kind said:So is Matt Cain, for example, who is making less than Hamels.
Statistically, there's not a whole lot of difference between the two (in fact, Hamels has a slight edge), but, using your own guideline, Cain has never won more than 14 games in a season, has less career wins in more career starts and has a substantially lower winning percentage than Hamels (.510 for Cain, .594 for Hamels).
Champ Kind said:Subjectively, then, from my peripheral perspective Hamels doesn't seem like an elite talent. Though for some reason Cain does.
#1PilarFan said:Greinke for Segura, Pena and Hellweg. Hard to say deeper into the season now, but pretty much three of the Angels' top 10 prospects for Greinke.
Pretty good return I'd say.
bustaheims said:Sounds like Pence is heading to the Giants. Much more active trade deadline than usual, or at least, it feels that way. Maybe it's just the names that are moving.
Potvin29 said:Burnett's carrying a no-hitter into the 8th in Snider's first Pirates game.
Deebo said:Melky Cabrera test positive for PED, 50 games.