The Official Complaint Thread!

[bustaheims]

Sorry, I just had to redo this... The last one was full of terrible grammar....  Too many Coronas tonight!

Anyway, that's just insane. The law states; "The method of payment (e.g. cash, debit or credit card) used in a transaction is a private agreement between the buyer and the seller. Each has the right to accept or refuse a bank note when accepting payment or receiving change."

Okay, so because the seller posts a sign a may or not see or agree to ("private agreement" implies I've agreed in advance) the seller can refuse legal tender? I'm sorry, good luck with that in a court of law. I mean, isn't it rather like me driving around with a sign on my dash saying "Sorry, I only pay for fuel with 100s.. Sorry for the inconvienence." Same thing, right?

Not accepting certain bills falls within the proprietors right to refuse service to whomever they choose to. In a sense, once you choose to fill your car with their product, you're agreeing to whatever stipulations they've put on that transaction. If all you have is bills they won't accept, you have, in essence, entered into the transaction in bad faith.

 

[maplesyrup]

It says you can refuse a bank note as change, not that you can insist to use a bank note.

So I can say, buy $10.00 worth of gas, pay with a $20.00 and demand the gas station gives me a $10.00 credit on my credit card or other form of payment because I have a personal issue with bank notes that come from service stations? In theory, that's the same thing right? The service station (or anywhere else with this dumb policy) has issue with the notes from the public. Finw so what is good for the goose is good for the gander, right? 

 

[maplesyrup]

how would you even bring that to court?

I'm just invisioning a scenario where a heated conflict arises and the cops are called. Perhaps I should have asked what a cop might do. I suspect he's say to the owner "just take the $100.00 and shut the hell up" but what do I know. 

 

[Kin]

Anyway, that's just insane. The law states; "The method of payment (e.g. cash, debit or credit card) used in a transaction is a private agreement between the buyer and the seller. Each has the right to accept or refuse a bank note when accepting payment or receiving change."

Okay, so because the seller posts a sign a may or not see or agree to ("private agreement" implies I've agreed in advance) the seller can refuse legal tender? I'm sorry, good luck with that in a court of law. I mean, isn't it rather like me driving around with a sign on my dash saying "Sorry, I only pay for fuel with 100s.. Sorry for the inconvienence." Same thing, right?

It's the same in a sense but certainly not the way you seem to think. If you don't agree to the sellers conditions you can take your business elsewhere. If they don't agree to your "Hundreds or nothing policy" they're free to refuse to sell. Neither of you have an obligation to enter into a transaction with a method of payment you find acceptable. The gas station is free to reserve their product for people paying in smaller bills, you're free to reserve your money for merchants who take larger denominations.

You seem to be arguing that because they have the right not to enter into a transaction they don't want, you should have the right to force them into a transaction they don't want. Not exactly the same thing. 

 

[Kin]

It says you can refuse a bank note as change, not that you can insist to use a bank note.

So I can say, buy $10.00 worth of gas, pay with a $20.00 and demand the gas station gives me a $10.00 credit on my credit card or other form of payment because I have a personal issue with bank notes that come from service stations? In theory, that's the same thing right? The service station (or anywhere else with this dumb policy) has issue with the notes from the public. Finw so what is good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

Again, no. You both have the right to agree or refuse to any transaction.

 

[maplesyrup]

It's the same in a sense but certainly not the way you seem to think. If you don't agree to the sellers conditions you can take your business elsewhere. If they don't agree to your "Hundreds or nothing policy" they're free to refuse to sell. Neither of you have an obligation to enter into a transaction with a method of payment you find acceptable. The gas station is free to reserve their product for people paying in smaller bills, you're free to reserve your money for merchants who take larger denominations.

You seem to be arguing that because they have the right not to enter into a transaction they don't want, you should have the right to force them into a transaction they don't want. Not exactly the same thing.

What if I missed their sign and didn't know about their policy and all I had was the $100? Moreover, just about every station lets you pot their product in you vehicle before you settle up. Maybe I should say, "oops sorry, didn't know about your policy... I'll tell you what, why don't you grab one of those slurpie straws, sport and start suckin?... You can have your fuel back."

 

[Kin]

What if I missed their sign and didn't know about their policy and all I had was the $100? Moreover, just about every station lets you pot their product in you vehicle before you settle up. Maybe I should say, "oops sorry, didn't know about your policy... I'll tell you what, why don't you grab one of those slurpie straws, sport and start suckin?... You can have your fuel back."

Best bet to avoid an unpleasant scene? If it's a place you're not familiar with, go on and check ahead. Either way, you missing their sign doesn't force them to enter into a transaction they don't want. As the quote says, they're allowed to refuse whatever payment they want, even bank notes. What if you're a grizzled 1890's prospector and want to pay them in freshly panned gold? What if you want to trade them two chickens and a goat? What if you missed the price and assumed your tank of gas would cost 15 bucks instead of forty and that's all you have?

The answer is the same. They don't have to do business they don't want and you have a responsibility to know the terms and conditions of the sale.

 

[Peter D.]

What's the point of printing so many $100 bills and putting them into circulation if a growing majority of places won't accept them? 

 

[maplesyrup]

I suppose part of it is when I'm paying $80.00 (or so) these days to fill my tank, it seems beyond silly to me that gas stations won't take the $100.00 bill. I  mean, I could understand a place where the average transaction was $20/$30 or less but to me, it's just stupid that I can be routinely charged close to the exact amount of currency that they won't take.

 

[maplesyrup]

What's the point of printing so many $100 bills and putting them into circulation if a growing majority of places won't accept them?

Indeed... and I've noticed more and more ATMs are spitting out $100s these days too as opposed to just $20s.

 

[Kin]

What's the point of printing so many $100 bills and putting them into circulation if a growing majority of places won't accept them?

Isn't there some sort of law about the physical amount of cash a bank has to have on hand in relation to their total deposits? In that case, the physical representation of large sums of money, it could be purposeful even if it's money that doesn't get spent.

 

[bustaheims]

What if I missed their sign and didn't know about their policy and all I had was the $100? Moreover, just about every station lets you pot their product in you vehicle before you settle up. Maybe I should say, "oops sorry, didn't know about your policy... I'll tell you what, why don't you grab one of those slurpie straws, sport and start suckin?... You can have your fuel back."

The onus is on you to understand the terms of purchase, especially when they're clearly stated. If you can't abide by the terms that you have legally agreed to by filling your tank with their product, they're within their rights to press charges - odds are they won't, but, they still could.

 

[maplesyrup]

What if I missed their sign and didn't know about their policy and all I had was the $100? Moreover, just about every station lets you pot their product in you vehicle before you settle up. Maybe I should say, "oops sorry, didn't know about your policy... I'll tell you what, why don't you grab one of those slurpie straws, sport and start suckin?... You can have your fuel back."

The onus is on you to understand the terms of purchase, especially when they're clearly stated. If you can't abide by the terms that you have legally agreed to by filling your tank with their product, they're within their rights to press charges - odds are they won't, but, they still could.

You know why they wouldn't? Because the charges would never stick - ever. Better chance of the Leafs winning 15 consecutive cups in my opinion starting this year. The whole thing is just so absurd.

 

[maplesyrup]

Oh I know. I suppose I couls just give them 8300 pennies each time. Or do people get charged for using those these days too?

 

[Kin]

The whole thing is just so absurd.

I know. What is the world coming to when people selling a product get to set the terms of sale. Or get upset when people take the product and refuse to the terms?

 

[maplesyrup]

The whole thing is just so absurd.

I know. What is the world coming to when people selling a product get to set the terms of sale. Or get upset when people take the product and refuse to the terms?

It's bills, Nik. Canadian bills. Not furskins.

 

[Derk]

This thread has become entertaining. I would get some popcorn, but I'm not a big fan.

Personally, I prefer the smaller bills for that reason - a lot of places don't take 100s and even 50s.

Luckily my gas bill hasn't hit 80 bucks. Yet.

 

[Kin]

It's bills, Nik. Canadian bills. Not furskins.

It could be big shiny diamonds and I'd still be allowed to not sell you something of mine if I didn't want to.

 

[maplesyrup]

This thread has become entertaining. I would get some popcorn, but I'm not a big fan.

Personally, I prefer the smaller bills for that reason - a lot of places don't take 100s and even 50s.

Luckily my gas bill hasn't hit 80 bucks. Yet.

It's all pary of my my mini-van hell. - $80.00 at the pump and juice boxes and strangely preserved six-moth-old McDonalds french fries everywhere.

 

[Derk]

I bet that's what the cockroaches feed on after everything else has been devoured post-armageddon.