The Unofficial Fire Ron Wilson/Ron Wilson is the Greatest Thread
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Zee
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I really feel like Burke has put himself on thin ice here by sticking with Wilson for no apparent good reason. He's turned over the team with major trades, yet he sticks with the lame coach who can't get any sort of defensive responsibility out of his players. I'd hate to lose Burke, but if he won't fire Wilson the powers that be need to get someone in who will.
pindreamer
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Well put Zee. I agree 100%
maplesyrup
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Tigger said:
X2... I consider the 1 year extension a possible severance package.
Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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Sarge said:
Severence for what? Possible missing the play offs 4 years out of 4?
maplesyrup
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Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
Time served. Severance is never proportional to performance.
Corn Flake
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Randy Carlyle recently filmed reacting to the Leafs PK and how it looks on Ron Wilson right now:
Zee said:
This long? They're still 9 points ahead of last years pace with 30 more goals and they were even better in terms of improvement a month ago, when should he have been fired?
I think it was pretty obvious that he was going to get this year if they stayed competitive and they're struggling a bit but so far they have even with all the injuries.
I mean, I'm not even sure why I'm bothering as you've wanted him fired for how long now?
Zee
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Tigger said:
The Leafs started great at 7-2-1 and since have gone 11-13-4. That second record is a 76 point pace over the last 28 games played. Improvement doesn't seem to be forthcoming, they were great for 10 and crappy for 28, where's the improvement?
You do realize that the Leafs "took off" after Jan 1 last year which suddenly improved the team's overall pace right? If this team continues to flounder (like we have for the last 28 games), it will quickly fall BEHIND last year's pace.
Last season Leafs finished with 85 points. Currently we're now on a season pace for...88 points. That's an improvement?
An outright loss tonight and the Leafs are on an 86 point pace.
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Sarge said:
I don't know if that's true but, if it is, you'd have to admire Burke's courage. Firing Wilson before next season absent something entirely unforeseen developing would essentially be Burke admitting to a mistake that will cost his employers a million dollars or whatever the cost is of paying two coaches at once.
And for what? The ill-defined benefits of not having a coach on the final year of his contract?
I get that Burke was trying to send a message with this extension but the only one that reads loud and clear to me is that the mediocre job Wilson has done is satisfactory to Burke.
Zee said:
So when should he have been fired?
The points pace is nice and all but it doesn't exactly say what the team struggled through during a lot of that time, lost their number one goalie for 18 games among other injuries and they're one of the youngest teams, specifically d-cores, in the league. Improvement sometimes doesn't translate to the W/L columns but the PP is way better and scoring is way up plus you have guys like Kessel playing a more complete game.
I hoped they would be battling for a playoff spot and, while they've had some issues, they largely are. There have been a lot of close games and the team overall is playing better than last year to me.
Yeah, I am aware of when the Leafs took off last year, under Wilson it could happen again. I just haven't seen the wheels fall off yet and don't see a solid reason to fire him so far this year ( yeah the pk is brutal but that alone isn't enough for me ), he's been way better this year to me.
Again, I'm no big Wilson fan but I think people get stuck on him without really looking at the context of the situation.
Zee
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Tigger all those excuses you listed to give context to the Leafs record worries me. I can see Burke trotting out those same reasons as to why he's decided to stick with Wilson to start next season.
If the Leafs miss the playoffs this season is it safe to say that you agree Wilson should be fired? I'm not convinced that Burke will see it that way given all the "improvement" we've seen this year
To answer your question, Wilson have been fired after game 30. It was apparent at that point the team was back into the same issues as always under Wilson.
If the Leafs miss the playoffs this season is it safe to say that you agree Wilson should be fired? I'm not convinced that Burke will see it that way given all the "improvement" we've seen this year
To answer your question, Wilson have been fired after game 30. It was apparent at that point the team was back into the same issues as always under Wilson.
If the Leafs don't make the playoffs I have no doubt Wilson is gone and I would agree with the move.
I don't know if they're excuses, the luck of the draw or simply the reality of an incomplete team that needs time ( some combination of those more likely ) but I would bet real money that Burke won't hesitate should the Leafs not make the dance, he could also very well fire him before that if he loses the room and the Leafs really go in the tank but I haven't seen much evidence of that, they've been in a lot of the games they lost.
I don't know if the Leafs were a lot different after game 30, fwiw, the results were a bit different but then they weren't getting a ton of goaltending either.
I don't know if they're excuses, the luck of the draw or simply the reality of an incomplete team that needs time ( some combination of those more likely ) but I would bet real money that Burke won't hesitate should the Leafs not make the dance, he could also very well fire him before that if he loses the room and the Leafs really go in the tank but I haven't seen much evidence of that, they've been in a lot of the games they lost.
I don't know if the Leafs were a lot different after game 30, fwiw, the results were a bit different but then they weren't getting a ton of goaltending either.
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May I pose a question, gents. Suppose, let's just suppose, the Maple Leafs make the playoffs, beat every team they meet in every series, leading all the way to the Cup final, and... win the Stanley Cup!!
Now, then, what should Burke do with Wilson? Give him a long-term contract, or let him go, once mission accomplished?
I bet if the above-mentioned scenario were to transpire by some strange circumstances that would propel the Leafs to win the Cup this year, then, many of us would be singing the praises of Ron Wilson, or won't we be?
Now, then, what should Burke do with Wilson? Give him a long-term contract, or let him go, once mission accomplished?
I bet if the above-mentioned scenario were to transpire by some strange circumstances that would propel the Leafs to win the Cup this year, then, many of us would be singing the praises of Ron Wilson, or won't we be?
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hockeyfan1 said:
cross that bridge when we come to it
hockeyfan1
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crazyperfectdevil said:
You don't like to dream, do you?
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