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Highlander
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Yep thanks I was breaking my head on that one.Bender said:
WAYNEINIONA
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I must be missing something. Why are so many determined to get rid of JVR?
WAYNEINIONA said:
There's at least a couple reasons that may or may not be independent of each other (depending on the person):
1) our chances to win the cup are extremely slim, so sell off the UFAs and continue building.
2) sacrifice JvR (and some offense and PP power) in order to upgrade defence (ex: McDonough)
bustaheims
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WAYNEINIONA said:
The idea is trade him now instead of losing him for nothing in the summer.
Highlander
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Don't get me wrong, I love JVR and I wanted him and Kessel and we got both of them, yes Phil had to go, but JVR is going to demand big $$$ as a premier scorer in the league. The real problem in the cap age is how are you going to pay, Matthews, Marner and Nylander and some of the others in the next two years.WAYNEINIONA said:
Somehow we need to get some of our other up and comers into the lineup.
So if Matthews is hurt long term, in a worst case scenario situation, does that change the Leafs approach to the deadline?
I can see both sides of the coin. On the one hand, Matthews is a major part of your team and he is integral to what you are trying to accomplish. If he is done for the season, this reduces the likely hood that you are going to have success in the post season, so do you take a more "This isn't our year" approach, sell off some players, get some asssets and then reload for next year when he is healthy? That would seem to be the prudent course of action.
However, it's still a team game. You can't just pull the plug on the season because one guy gets hurt, even if he is your most valuable skater (goalies excluded), and the message you would be sending to the rest of the team would be less than encouraging to say the least. Basically you would be saying you bunch of slugs are nothing without Matthews so why even try? But you still don't want to spend assets on rentals, or even shorter term solutions because you could be potentially losing a year in which you can viably compete for the cup.
Maybe the best course of action is to just do nothing. Maybe it still makes sense to try and get a guy like McDonough. If this Matthews injury is serious though, it does complicate things.
I can see both sides of the coin. On the one hand, Matthews is a major part of your team and he is integral to what you are trying to accomplish. If he is done for the season, this reduces the likely hood that you are going to have success in the post season, so do you take a more "This isn't our year" approach, sell off some players, get some asssets and then reload for next year when he is healthy? That would seem to be the prudent course of action.
However, it's still a team game. You can't just pull the plug on the season because one guy gets hurt, even if he is your most valuable skater (goalies excluded), and the message you would be sending to the rest of the team would be less than encouraging to say the least. Basically you would be saying you bunch of slugs are nothing without Matthews so why even try? But you still don't want to spend assets on rentals, or even shorter term solutions because you could be potentially losing a year in which you can viably compete for the cup.
Maybe the best course of action is to just do nothing. Maybe it still makes sense to try and get a guy like McDonough. If this Matthews injury is serious though, it does complicate things.
Zee
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Looking at the replay, how serious could the Matthews injury be? Even if it's a separated shoulder, that should only be weeks for recovery depending on how severe. Not like it's a leg/knee issue that would take months.
That being said, I think his injury 100% changes what the Leafs plan to do at the deadline. If worst case he's out long term, they'll most likely try to add more futures by unloading expiring contracts, the fans will understand too.
That being said, I think his injury 100% changes what the Leafs plan to do at the deadline. If worst case he's out long term, they'll most likely try to add more futures by unloading expiring contracts, the fans will understand too.
Highlander
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If its a seperated shoulder then their could be labrum issues and then he would be done for a long time, hope it is not a collarbone.
Zee said:
Yeah I'd be pretty surprised if this was something that ended his season or something like that.
herman
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CarltonTheBear said:
I'd give him extra rest if anything. Our spot is locked. Give Willy a spin centering Hyman and Leivo (showcase!) behind Kadri's line.
Also, keeping Matthews (artificially) outside of the top 10 in goal scoring frees up even more space next season with his reduced performance bonus ($2M for Schedule B, right?).
I highly doubt that it turns them towards selling off JvR/Bozak/Komarov more readily. Players on the roster don't care about prospects and draft picks in return. If they're having a good season (we are), morale is damaged by selling off UFAs at the deadline unless there is a clear cut roster return (e.g. Bozak for Tavares).
herman said:
That can be reached on a goals per game, so he basically has that locked down.
herman said:
Chris Johnson broke down everyone's potential bonuses last season here: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-rookie-success-hurt-teams-cap-situation/
He says his schedule B bonuses are only for top-10 in goals or top-10 among forwards in goals per game.
herman
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Zee said:
That was indeed (and usually is) my intention!
If the Leafs do anything with their expiring UFAs, it'll be towards a non-rental core augmenter, but more likely to be drawing from the pool of prospects rather than the UFAs.
I'm trying to remember who did this, but an unofficial poll of some GMs about what they'd pay for JvR at the deadline was pretty high (1st rd pick, top prospect, plus). I can see the Metro division clawing over one another for him. I can see the offense-by-committee teams taking a healthy swing too.
'A' prospect can be pretty subjective, but if we're talking like a Liljegren or Kapanen type then I don't see how you don't make that trade.
I'd also be a little surprised if that's what he actually brought back though. Maybe he meant to say "a" prospect, not 'A' prospect.
I'd also be a little surprised if that's what he actually brought back though. Maybe he meant to say "a" prospect, not 'A' prospect.