Training Camp Thread - Currently with Marner now

[Highlander]

I saw Domingue play when he was with the Coyotes and thought he looked pretty good, perhaps better than Hutch will ever be.

 

[herman]

Sad panda

 

[Guilt Trip]

Tampa trying to squeeze down two goalies through waivers. Might be worth a flier on either one!

Domingue could be an interesting option but we can't fit his cap hit in ($1.15mil). Condon's pretty bad and we definitely can't fit his cap hit ($2.4mil).

Leafs would be around 81,651,866 with Domingue on the roster. That would be 12 forwards 7 D men so if they drop to 6 D men at home they could do it. That would also mean that a guy like Hyman won't be back without trading someone of similar or more value..They would also have to drop guys like Petan because he makes 750 instead of the 700 that a Spezza makes. Easy solution would be to send Mikhayev down but he's earned his spot so far.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Leafs would be around 81,651,866 with Domingue on the roster. That would be 12 forwards 7 D men so if they drop to 6 D men at home they could do it. That would also mean that a guy like Hyman won't be back without trading someone of similar or more value..They would also have to drop guys like Petan because he makes 750 instead of the 700 that a Spezza makes. Easy solution would be to send Mikhayev down but he's earned his spot so far.

There's no way the Leafs cost themselves a roster spot and play a 20-man roster all season just to get a back-up goalie who might be slightly better than the one we have.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Leafs would be around 81,651,866 with Domingue on the roster. That would be 12 forwards 7 D men so if they drop to 6 D men at home they could do it. That would also mean that a guy like Hyman won't be back without trading someone of similar or more value..They would also have to drop guys like Petan because he makes 750 instead of the 700 that a Spezza makes. Easy solution would be to send Mikhayev down but he's earned his spot so far.

There's no way the Leafs cost themselves a roster spot and play a 20-man roster all season just to get a back-up goalie who might be slightly better than the one we have.

I don't see them doing that either. Just saying it can be done. The Leafs will most likely go with a 20 man roster at home but will def need to take a #7 on the road with them. It would also present another issue of being at the 50 man limit without having Neuvirth signed. Apparently he's playing tomorrow night so if he proves to be good enough, they wouldn't have the room. Of course we'll have quite a few guys going on waivers soon as well.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The Leafs will most likely go with a 20 man roster at home but will def need to take a #7 on the road with them.

There would be no benefit to having a 20 man roster for home games.

 

[ZBBM]

Leafs would be around 81,651,866 with Domingue on the roster. That would be 12 forwards 7 D men so if they drop to 6 D men at home they could do it. That would also mean that a guy like Hyman won't be back without trading someone of similar or more value..They would also have to drop guys like Petan because he makes 750 instead of the 700 that a Spezza makes. Easy solution would be to send Mikhayev down but he's earned his spot so far.

There's no way the Leafs cost themselves a roster spot and play a 20-man roster all season just to get a back-up goalie who might be slightly better than the one we have.

Is he?  Or is he considerably better?

I don't know, but if Domingue is an upgrade they need to assess whether he's the best one likely to be available this year and figure out a way to do it.  If it means sending Mikheyev down so be it, though he doesn't deserve it.  There will be a lot of moves in the years to come where noncore players get screwed.

I think we really left ourselves really vulnerable here.  They absolutely have to get somebody who can do 20-25 games back there creditably.

 

[ZBBM]

Is messing with Gauthier really a waste of time? If we don?t want him anymore, isn?t it worthwhile to give him more eyeball time and key up a better trade? Or a better opportunity to get scooped on waivers because he?s been a good soldier for Dubas and deserves a chance to play somewhere?

The added return would be marginal at best and valuable camp time needs to be spent on players who can actually contribute.

 

[Guilt Trip]

The Leafs will most likely go with a 20 man roster at home but will def need to take a #7 on the road with them.

There would be no benefit to having a 20 man roster for home games.

The cap is calculated daily no? If it is then there is a benefit. You take off the $700K daily hit of a player. It adds up in 41 games or whatever days there are.

 

[Coco-puffs]

The Leafs will most likely go with a 20 man roster at home but will def need to take a #7 on the road with them.

There would be no benefit to having a 20 man roster for home games.

The cap is calculated daily no? If it is then there is a benefit. You take off the $700K daily hit of a player. It adds up in 41 games or whatever days there are.

Not when you are in LTIR.  You don't accumulate any cap space- you've used it all every day you are in LTIR.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Is he?  Or is he considerably better?

He had a .908 save percentage last season in 26 games. Among goalie who played 25+ games that put him 35th. 31st in GAA. All while playing on the best (regular season) team the league has seen in years. That's really not anything to get excited about.

 

[Guilt Trip]

The Leafs will most likely go with a 20 man roster at home but will def need to take a #7 on the road with them.

There would be no benefit to having a 20 man roster for home games.

The cap is calculated daily no? If it is then there is a benefit. You take off the $700K daily hit of a player. It adds up in 41 games or whatever days there are.

Not when you are in LTIR.  You don't accumulate any cap space- you've used it all every day you are in LTIR.

Thx, didn't know that.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Is he?  Or is he considerably better?

He had a .908 save percentage last season in 26 games. Among goalie who played 25+ games that put him 35th. 31st in GAA. All while playing on the best (regular season) team the league has seen in years. That's really not anything to get excited about.

Agreed. The fact they went out and got McBackup should tell all.

 

[bustaheims]

There would be no benefit to having a 20 man roster for home games.

There's marginal cap benefit if there's someone they can easily shift back and forth without waivers. The problem is, the only defenceman who doesn't require waivers, might be NHL calibre right now, and isn't one of the team's top prospects is Kivihalme.

 

[Coco-puffs]

There would be no benefit to having a 20 man roster for home games.

There's marginal cap benefit if there's someone they can easily shift back and forth without waivers. The problem is, the only defenceman who doesn't require waivers, might be NHL calibre right now, and isn't one of the team's top prospects is Kivihalme.

No there isn't.  Either 21 guys fit under the room created by LTIR or they don't.  Moving a guy down and dropping to 20 just means you aren't using the room created by LTIR.

 

[bustaheims]

The Leafs will most likely go with a 20 man roster at home but will def need to take a #7 on the road with them.

There would be no benefit to having a 20 man roster for home games.

The cap is calculated daily no? If it is then there is a benefit. You take off the $700K daily hit of a player. It adds up in 41 games or whatever days there are.

Not when you are in LTIR.  You don't accumulate any cap space- you've used it all every day you are in LTIR.

You can save some of that LTIR space by not maxing out there every day. The Leafs will be awfully close to their absolute max this season, so being able to create a little bit of wiggle room could be useful.

 

[Coco-puffs]

The Leafs will most likely go with a 20 man roster at home but will def need to take a #7 on the road with them.

There would be no benefit to having a 20 man roster for home games.

The cap is calculated daily no? If it is then there is a benefit. You take off the $700K daily hit of a player. It adds up in 41 games or whatever days there are.

Not when you are in LTIR.  You don't accumulate any cap space- you've used it all every day you are in LTIR.

You can save some of that LTIR space by not maxing out there every day. The Leafs will be awfully close to their absolute max this season, so being able to create a little bit of wiggle room could be useful.

LTIR space is not calculated daily and you can't build up additional space by going below your LTIR created new limit.

 

[bustaheims]

LTIR space is not calculated daily and you can't build up additional space by going below your LTIR created new limit.

You have the full amount of LTIR space available to you for as long as a player is on LTIR. That means, at the end of the season, the Leafs can be over the cap by the full value of Clarkson's and Horton's contracts, regardless of what their daily calculations are. If they spend ~$300K less between now and the trade deadline, that full value is available to them to use. It's not building additional space, it's optimizing the usage of it.

 

[Coco-puffs]

LTIR space is not calculated daily and you can't build up additional space by going below your LTIR created new limit.

You have the full amount of LTIR space available to you for as long as a player is on LTIR. That means, at the end of the season, the Leafs can be over the cap by the full value of Clarkson's and Horton's contracts, regardless of what their daily calculations are. If they spend ~$300K less between now and the trade deadline, that full value is available to them to use. It's not building additional space, it's optimizing the usage of it.

So how are they going to fit in a player for 300k?

 

[bustaheims]

So how are they going to fit in a player for 300k?

It's prorated at the deadline, so it becomes the equivalent of ~$1.2M. It's also buffer for short-term injury call ups, etc.