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UFA 2012 / July 1st 2012 Thread

Deebo said:
?@RealKyper: Like #Flyers the #Wild have thrown the kitchen sink at Parise/Suter. Going rate on  all #NHL offers are now minimum 12 years between 80-90M?

I know we probably stand little chance of attracting either of these two, but the one thing that really bothers me about Burke is that his ridiculous stance on "cap circumventing" deals takes the leafs out of the running before we even have a chance to be considered.
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Yes and no, a 12 year commitment at a high cap hit seems touchy to me. Burke has also said he'd consider it for the right player, no?
 
Nik³ said:
Deebo said:
I know we probably stand little chance of attracting either of these two, but the one thing that really bothers me about Burke is that his ridiculous stance on "cap circumventing" deals takes the leafs out of the running before we even have a chance to be considered.
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Yeah, but you can't argue with success!
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If I owned the team, I'd insist he changed that stance or I'd fire him, unless it's ownership that is telling him not to sign deals like this.

I really don't understand how he can operate in this manner, I could see a scenario where we lose Kessel because we refuse to give him a deal like this.
 
Tigger said:
Deebo said:
?@RealKyper: Like #Flyers the #Wild have thrown the kitchen sink at Parise/Suter. Going rate on  all #NHL offers are now minimum 12 years between 80-90M?

I know we probably stand little chance of attracting either of these two, but the one thing that really bothers me about Burke is that his ridiculous stance on "cap circumventing" deals takes the leafs out of the running before we even have a chance to be considered.
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Yes and no, a 12 year commitment at a high cap hit seems touchy to me. Burke has also said he'd consider it for the right player, no?
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Who is that player though.  If it's Sidney Crosby, well for one, that guy is never going to make it to UFA status and while I'm not thrilled with paying a Parise/Suter that kind of money this is the only way the Leafs are getting any of these guys and his strategy of just buying overpriced Phaneuf's isn't working.
 
Tigger said:
Deebo said:
“@RealKyper: Like #Flyers the #Wild have thrown the kitchen sink at Parise/Suter. Going rate on  all #NHL offers are now minimum 12 years between 80-90M”

I know we probably stand little chance of attracting either of these two, but the one thing that really bothers me about Burke is that his ridiculous stance on "cap circumventing" deals takes the leafs out of the running before we even have a chance to be considered.
Click to expand...

Yes and no, a 12 year commitment at a high cap hit seems touchy to me. Burke has also said he'd consider it for the right player, no?
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He said he'd never do deals with "bogus" years at the end.
 
Deebo said:
He said he'd never do deals with "bogus" years at the end.
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I think that's just a case of knowing your audience. Burke knows that after a long, long drought, if there's one thing Leafs fans are desperate to cheer for, it's principles.
 
L K said:
Tigger said:
Deebo said:
?@RealKyper: Like #Flyers the #Wild have thrown the kitchen sink at Parise/Suter. Going rate on  all #NHL offers are now minimum 12 years between 80-90M?

I know we probably stand little chance of attracting either of these two, but the one thing that really bothers me about Burke is that his ridiculous stance on "cap circumventing" deals takes the leafs out of the running before we even have a chance to be considered.
Click to expand...

Yes and no, a 12 year commitment at a high cap hit seems touchy to me. Burke has also said he'd consider it for the right player, no?
Click to expand...

Who is that player though.  If it's Sidney Crosby, well for one, that guy is never going to make it to UFA status and while I'm not thrilled with paying a Parise/Suter that kind of money but this is the only way the Leafs are getting any of these guys and his strategy of just buying overpriced Phaneuf's isn't working.
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To me, overpriced is just overpriced. I'd be much happier giving one of those two a deal like that than say Richards but even then the potential negative long term consequences can be seen in Luongo to a degree right now.

I don't agree with Burke that it's cap circumvention but I do think it's a risk you can't take lightly.
 
Tigger said:
L K said:
Tigger said:
Deebo said:
“@RealKyper: Like #Flyers the #Wild have thrown the kitchen sink at Parise/Suter. Going rate on  all #NHL offers are now minimum 12 years between 80-90M”

I know we probably stand little chance of attracting either of these two, but the one thing that really bothers me about Burke is that his ridiculous stance on "cap circumventing" deals takes the leafs out of the running before we even have a chance to be considered.
Click to expand...

Yes and no, a 12 year commitment at a high cap hit seems touchy to me. Burke has also said he'd consider it for the right player, no?
Click to expand...

Who is that player though.  If it's Sidney Crosby, well for one, that guy is never going to make it to UFA status and while I'm not thrilled with paying a Parise/Suter that kind of money but this is the only way the Leafs are getting any of these guys and his strategy of just buying overpriced Phaneuf's isn't working.
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To me, overpriced is just overpriced. I'd be much happier giving one of those two a deal like that than say Richards but even then the potential negative long term consequences can be seen in Luongo to a degree right now.

I don't agree with Burke that it's cap circumvention but I do think it's a risk you can't take lightly.
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Instead he overpays mediocre players on short term deals.
 
Deebo said:
Tigger said:
Deebo said:
?@RealKyper: Like #Flyers the #Wild have thrown the kitchen sink at Parise/Suter. Going rate on  all #NHL offers are now minimum 12 years between 80-90M?

I know we probably stand little chance of attracting either of these two, but the one thing that really bothers me about Burke is that his ridiculous stance on "cap circumventing" deals takes the leafs out of the running before we even have a chance to be considered.
Click to expand...

Yes and no, a 12 year commitment at a high cap hit seems touchy to me. Burke has also said he'd consider it for the right player, no?
Click to expand...

He said he'd never do deals with "bogus" years at the end.
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Well that's not something I agree with, if it's allowed then why not, where I tend to agree is in the long term effect on the team. To me Parise and Suter are kind of light weight cornerstone players, I don't think that kind of commitment is something the Leafs should be looking at right now.

I could be wrong but this seems like a bad year to make that investment.
 
Deebo said:
Instead he overpays mediocre players on short term deals.
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They all do at some point. To me you can deal with short term risk a little easier/more productively than long term.
 
bustaheims said:
Deebo said:
Instead he overpays mediocre players on short term deals.
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That's called signing free agents. Every team does that.
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I know.

I have trouble with being okay with overpaying non-impact players but overpaying for top talent is out question because he refuses to go a couple years longer and tacking on some bogus years at the end due to "morals".
 
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