Unofficial 2012/2013 Armchair GM

[Britishbulldog]

MacArthur and a d-man to New Jersey for Clarkson. Clear some room and add a winger with grit !

That trade might work for San Jose for Ryane Clowe who is scoreless this year but is bigger than Clarkson and has outscored Clarkson every year but last seaon.

JVR / Bozak / Kessel
Lupul / Grabovski / Kulemin
Clowe / Kadri / Frattin
Komarov / McClement / Orr

McLaren / Steckel in the booth

San Jose needs the secondary scoring that MacArthur would give them.

 

[maplesyrup]

Clarkson, Clowe... Both guys I'd love to have should we decide to load up but to be honest (and it might not be the popular opinion) I still think I'd be a seller at the deadline regardless of how we're doing.  :-\ 

 

[Rebel_1812]

we need to get rid of kulemin for next year.  He has really regressed.  We might be able to trade him for something of value if we do it this year.

 

[Jalili]

we need to get rid of kulemin for next year.  He has really regressed.  We might be able to trade him for something of value if we do it this year.

BS.

He's still a good player. He's prone to funks but we've seen him play like a beast.

Hes not going to command a big salary anyway, so why not just keep him around?

 

[Beowulf]

we need to get rid of kulemin for next year.  He has really regressed.  We might be able to trade him for something of value if we do it this year.

BS.

He's still a good player. He's prone to funks but we've seen him play like a beast.

Hes not going to command a big salary anyway, so why not just keep him around?

Indeed, he's taken on an established defensive role and faces the toughest competition every night of anyone on the team overall. He also gets 0 PP time.

2nd among leaf fwds in hits, 2nd in fwd PK icetime behind McClement, 1st among fwds in blocked shots (7th in the league).

Not to mention that he's a team first guy who doesn't complain and has seemingly totally bought in to his defined role under Carlyle.

I truly believe he would be a good 3rd liner on any cup contending team.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Which of those top-3 lines is the shutdown group though? You can't use the McClement line for that because even though the personnel might be suited for it there won't be enough ice-time to spread around for the other 3 lines.

Without any extra information, I would put out the Van Riemsdyk / Grabovski / Perry line against the other team's best line.  For defensive zone draws, I might swap Mcclement in for Colbourne when necessary.  Basically, that's a very strong set of wingers.  I'm sure the coach would experiment to see which combinations are most productive.

That line would cost almost $20mil though and it would be starting the majority of its shifts in the defensive zone and against the other teams top players. We complain and moan about Grabovski's production, and while that line might score a few more goals than it does now, it still wouldn't score enough to justify their salaries.

Personally, I don't see why this team needs Corey Perry. Wing is by far our strongest position, and we already have Kessel, Kulemin, and Frattin locked in on the right-side. Sure, Perry is an upgrade over all of them (although some might debate Kessel), but in a salary cap world I don't think it would  be smart to allocate so much of our funds into one position. We would be better off saving that space for a first line centre or a defensively sound top-4 defenceman.

Now, if we're talking about signing Perry and then trading Kessel, well that's another conversation. But there's no room for both of them on this team.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

we need to get rid of kulemin for next year.  He has really regressed.  We might be able to trade him for something of value if we do it this year.

We need to get rid of Kulemin because he's really regressed but we may be able to get something of value for him?

Well I guess that's true...but if we look at Kulemin solely as you are, we better hope there's a GM that hasn't looked at the stats for 2 years

 

[Frank E]

I have to think there's a deal to be made around Bozak and Liles plus 'x' going to Colorado for one their centres.

 

[Kin]

I have to think there's a deal to be made around Bozak and Liles plus 'x' going to Colorado for one their centres.

That'd certainly be a way to pull it off, I suppose. That said, even if Nonis could get his hand on the required amount of methylenedioxy to make enough of the stuff how would we get it into Greg Sherman's drink? Or would we just hope he's got a deep love of jungle trance and make sure the whole area is well supplied?

 

[Frank E]

I have to think there's a deal to be made around Bozak and Liles plus 'x' going to Colorado for one their centres.

That'd certainly be a way to pull it off, I suppose. That said, even if Nonis could get his hand on the required amount of methylenedioxy to make enough of the stuff how would we get it into Greg Sherman's drink? Or would we just hope he's got a deep love of jungle trance and make sure the whole area is well supplied?

So just so I'm clear, 'X' is a substantial piece with super-substantial value.

Super-Substantial.

 

 

[Kin]

I have to think there's a deal to be made around Bozak and Liles plus 'x' going to Colorado for one their centres.

That'd certainly be a way to pull it off, I suppose. That said, even if Nonis could get his hand on the required amount of methylenedioxy to make enough of the stuff how would we get it into Greg Sherman's drink? Or would we just hope he's got a deep love of jungle trance and make sure the whole area is well supplied?

So just so I'm clear, 'X' is a substantial piece with super-substantial value.

Right. You weren't talking about cornering the market on club drugs in the Denver area. Wink.

 

[caver]

If "X" is super anything let's keep it for the Leafs...

 

[Tigger]

Now, if we're talking about signing Perry and then trading Kessel, well that's another conversation. But there's no room for both of them on this team.

That lineup wasn't a cure all, but you're right again, it would provide the team some ability to trade from a position of strength. I wonder what Bozak and Kessel might fetch in a trade? Not likely to happen unless the team unravels some and Perry is a relative slam dunk to come to Toronto. Still, it's interesting to see that they have some flexibility with their decisions.

If they can't get the centre they really need though, I don't know how you don't go after Perry ( if available ) no matter and deal with the fallout later.

 

[Rebel_1812]

we need to get rid of kulemin for next year.  He has really regressed.  We might be able to trade him for something of value if we do it this year.

We need to get rid of Kulemin because he's really regressed but we may be able to get something of value for him?

Well I guess that's true...but if we look at Kulemin solely as you are, we better hope there's a GM that hasn't looked at the stats for 2 years

you know as well as I do GM's look and potential and hope the player can turn it around with a change of scenery.  This is sort of why Luke Scheen and JVR were traded for each other.  We could get something decent for kulemin, while people still think he has potential as a top 6 guy.  Whereas if we wait and he has another bad year, people will know he is just another disposable 3rd liner.

 

[princedpw]

we need to get rid of kulemin for next year.  He has really regressed.  We might be able to trade him for something of value if we do it this year.

We need to get rid of Kulemin because he's really regressed but we may be able to get something of value for him?

Well I guess that's true...but if we look at Kulemin solely as you are, we better hope there's a GM that hasn't looked at the stats for 2 years

you know as well as I do GM's look and potential and hope the player can turn it around with a change of scenery.  This is sort of why Luke Scheen and JVR were traded for each other.  We could get something decent for kulemin, while people still think he has potential as a top 6 guy.  Whereas if we wait and he has another bad year, people will know he is just another disposable 3rd liner.

If we could trade Kulemin for vastly more than he's worth than of course I'm on board for that.  Assuming we can't, I'm quite happy to keep him.  I think he could be a valuable player on many winning teams.  He's big, strong, fast and excellent on defense.  He's playing against the other team's top players and starting in the defensive zone most often.  He is still averaging .5 points per game, which is good for a 3rd liner.  He's tied for 113th in scoring amongst forwards right now:  30 teams, 6 forwards in the top 6 = 180 top-6 forwards) -- so he's a low-scoring top-6 forward or perhaps a high-scoring 3rd liner.  As long as we don't give him a contract that pays him like he's a 20-30 goal scorer, he's a great guy to have on the team.

We shouldn't throw him away just because he's not quite as good offensively as we might have hoped.

 

[bustaheims]

I have to think there's a deal to be made around Bozak and Liles plus 'x' going to Colorado for one their centres.

Well, there's a bit of a problem there - they can't trade O'Reilly because of the offer sheet, they almost certainly won't trade Duchene and the Leafs probably don't have all that much interest in Stastny with his contract, considering he's on pace for the equivalent of another ~55 point season.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Now, if we're talking about signing Perry and then trading Kessel, well that's another conversation. But there's no room for both of them on this team.

That lineup wasn't a cure all, but you're right again, it would provide the team some ability to trade from a position of strength. I wonder what Bozak and Kessel might fetch in a trade? Not likely to happen unless the team unravels some and Perry is a relative slam dunk to come to Toronto. Still, it's interesting to see that they have some flexibility with their decisions.

If they can't get the centre they really need though, I don't know how you don't go after Perry ( if available ) no matter and deal with the fallout later.

If Anaheim feels that Perry wants to leave I am wondering if they would do a straight up trade for Kessel who is still under contract next year?  Looking at Kessel's and Perry's numbers, if you remove the MVP year, then their goal scoring is almost exact.  Perry, like Kulemin, may never have an anomoly year ever again.

Now that Anaheim signed Getzlaf to an albatross contract I am worried that Perry is going to expect the same salary.  I don't think Getzlaf will ever live up to the cap hit let alone Perry if he is signed for a $8 MIL contract.  If Perry was thinking around $7 MIL max for 8 years then I would go for it.  If not the I think Nonis should remain status quo.

 

[L K]

I have to think there's a deal to be made around Bozak and Liles plus 'x' going to Colorado for one their centres.

Well, there's a bit of a problem there - they can't trade O'Reilly because of the offer sheet, they almost certainly won't trade Duchene and the Leafs probably don't have all that much interest in Stastny with his contract, considering he's on pace for the equivalent of another ~55 point season.

Yeah, I'm not all that keen on paying Stastny 6.5 million to MAYBE put up PPG numbers between Kessel and Lupul in the future.  And they won't trade Duchene for pennies.

I wouldn't mind trying to reacquire Alex Steen from St. Louis.  They are a team looking for defensive help.  Move Kadri up a line and put Steen in Grabovski's role and try Grabovski on Kessel's line and see if anything clicks with Van Riemsdyk.

 

[sneakyray]

I saw an article (the star maybe) that suggested a macarthur for clowe deal.  They have the same cap hit but macarthur is playing well right now and clowe is struggling mightily this year.

I love clowe but I am not sure I would do that deal.  Clowe is 30 and questions of durability come up for players of his style (think ryan malone).  It would be nice to have some size and grit that could keep up offensively with a kadri or grabs.  Also, what will it take to get him re-signed.  I would personally love to have someone like him in our top 6 going into a playoff series against boston (and this guy is a proven playoff performer)

what does peoples think?

 

[Tigger]

Now that Anaheim signed Getzlaf to an albatross contract I am worried that Perry is going to expect the same salary.  I don't think Getzlaf will ever live up to the cap hit let alone Perry if he is signed for a $8 MIL contract.  If Perry was thinking around $7 MIL max for 8 years then I would go for it.  If not the I think Nonis should remain status quo.

I don't know if Perry would command a similar 'Getz' contract, probably not. I've attempted to include some unreasonableness there, however, looking at what Kessel might be able to demand, I'd rather the Leafs have a look at that option regardless.

Also, I'm not sure it's an 'albatross' contract, unless they're flinging bleeding seabird flavour to the crowds or some such...