Unofficial 2012/2013 Armchair GM

[caver]

Bye Bye Franson. You are on the next train out of Union Station for doing your business through the media. I hope Toronto gets a decent return for you in a trade.  On your next team try to remember that you are 6 inches taller than most players on the ice; not 6 inches shorter... 

 

[KW Sluggo]

Part of me wonders if Burke stayed away from Suter because Weber is the guy he is going to go after next summer.  Without a doubt he is enamored with him, so no doubt he would take a run.

The prospect of this ever happening is quite remote.

First of all, for the reasons stated in this thread, Burke will not offer a contract anywhere near the term length of other teams and Poile will undoubtedly either re-sign Weber over the next six months or so or Poile will trade Weber (to a team that will immediately agree to a long term contract with Weber) to ensure he gets something in return.

After all, Poile must have learned something from the Suter departure.

 

[sneakyray]

last night I had a weird sort of premonition that the leafs are going to trade for vinnie lecavelier.

don't know why...and I know his contract is not great.

like I said its kinda weird

 

[Corn Flake]

Part of me wonders if Burke stayed away from Suter because Weber is the guy he is going to go after next summer.  Without a doubt he is enamored with him, so no doubt he would take a run.

The prospect of this ever happening is quite remote.

First of all, for the reasons stated in this thread, Burke will not offer a contract anywhere near the term length of other teams and Poile will undoubtedly either re-sign Weber over the next six months or so or Poile will trade Weber (to a team that will immediately agree to a long term contract with Weber) to ensure he gets something in return.

After all, Poile must have learned something from the Suter departure.

Burke has never said he would never sign one of those deals. I don't remember the exact quote but he said there are very few players he would be willing to bend his rule for.  I can almost guarantee that Weber is one of them.  He's #1 on Burke's list of the best d-men in the league that he covets. He said so in an interview I heard a few years back where he was asked conceptually who he would build his team around if he could pick anyone in the NHL.  He chose Weber.

As far as Nashville goes, what has Poile learned? That players don't want to stay in Nashville? He threw the kitchen sink at Suter and he still left. I doubt he wasn't trying all year to sign him.  He's going to lose players and that's the reality of that market.  He has to keep cycling players in trades as they get close to UFA as he used to do, or he won't have anything to show for it.  So to me that means he has to move Weber or he will be at square one in a year from now. 

 

[Corn Flake]

last night I had a weird sort of premonition that the leafs are going to trade for vinnie lecavelier.

don't know why...and I know his contract is not great.

like I said its kinda weird

Oh Lord.  Maybe you ate some baaaad pizza.

 

[Joe S.]

Part of me wonders if Burke stayed away from Suter because Weber is the guy he is going to go after next summer.  Without a doubt he is enamored with him, so no doubt he would take a run.

I think Suter stayed away because Toronto is nowhere near Wisconsin.

 

[Joe S.]

last night I had a weird sort of premonition that the leafs are going to trade for vinnie lecavelier.

don't know why...and I know his contract is not great.

like I said its kinda weird

I would take on Lecavalier and his contract before Luongo's.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Bye Bye Franson. You are on the next train out of Union Station for doing your business through the media. I hope Toronto gets a decent return for you in a trade.  On your next team try to remember that you are 6 inches taller than most players on the ice; not 6 inches shorter...

What was said? I read the "I'm not going to rush into a new pact with the Leafs based on my first year here" thing and I totally agree with him.

Would you be quick to sign a contract, or do the team any favours if you were going to be scratched %30 of the year?

Can't say I really blame the guy. Should he have said anything to the media? Maybe not, but it's not like they thought everything was roses after he sat out for the likes of Komi/Schenn and others last year.

 

[Fanatic]

I don't know what it means that I am finding more and more I agree with Cox. Is he making more sense or I am going crazy?

No Easy Way Out


But that's the way it is in Toronto right now. When the Leafs were in a playoff position in early February, Brian Burke was a genius for pilfering both Jake Gardiner and Joffrey Lupul out of Anaheim and good things were happening. Then the goaltending went south and analysts were popping up everywhere saying the Leafs had "nothing" and Burke needed to be replaced because he hadn't turned the team around in 3 1/2 years.

Meanwhile, the Rangers finally turned into a good team in the 11th year of Glen Sather's run as GM, while the Kings won the Cup nine years after beginning a rebuild.

But perspective is not what many Leaf fans are currently interested in. Forget the four first round picks - Nazem Kadri, Stuart Percy, Tyler Biggs and Morgan Rielly - taken by Burke currently working their way through the system. Forget the year the Marlies had. It's all "nothing," according to some.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Burke has never said he would never sign one of those deals. I don't remember the exact quote but he said there are very few players he would be willing to bend his rule for.  I can almost guarantee that Weber is one of them.  He's #1 on Burke's list of the best d-men in the league that he covets. He said so in an interview I heard a few years back where he was asked conceptually who he would build his team around if he could pick anyone in the NHL.  He chose Weber.

Unless you're talking about a different interview than I heard/saw, he chose Crosby.

 

[Zee]

Bye Bye Franson. You are on the next train out of Union Station for doing your business through the media. I hope Toronto gets a decent return for you in a trade.  On your next team try to remember that you are 6 inches taller than most players on the ice; not 6 inches shorter...

What did Franson do now I missed it.

 

[Redleaf]

Bye Bye Franson. You are on the next train out of Union Station for doing your business through the media. I hope Toronto gets a decent return for you in a trade.  On your next team try to remember that you are 6 inches taller than most players on the ice; not 6 inches shorter...

What did Franson do now I missed it.

I think it was an assumption based on his reluctance to sign the extension right away?

 

[louisstamos]

Bye Bye Franson. You are on the next train out of Union Station for doing your business through the media. I hope Toronto gets a decent return for you in a trade.  On your next team try to remember that you are 6 inches taller than most players on the ice; not 6 inches shorter...

What did Franson do now I missed it.

I think it was an assumption based on his reluctance to sign the extension right away?

There was a Jonas Seigel blog recently about Franson where he wants assurances of playing time before he signs his contract.

In fact, it's here! - http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=399810

 

[Zee]

Bye Bye Franson. You are on the next train out of Union Station for doing your business through the media. I hope Toronto gets a decent return for you in a trade.  On your next team try to remember that you are 6 inches taller than most players on the ice; not 6 inches shorter...

What did Franson do now I missed it.

I think it was an assumption based on his reluctance to sign the extension right away?

There was a Jonas Seigel blog recently about Franson where he wants assurances of playing time before he signs his contract.

In fact, it's here! - http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=399810

Oh this guy.  How can he be "assured" he's going to play the majority of games?  If you suck, you don't play, simple as that.  The Leafs are supposed to guarantee this guy he'll be a top 4 pairing all year?

 

[Madferret]

Is this the same Franson a lot of you are pumping up in your ridiculous trade proposals?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

There was a Jonas Seigel blog recently about Franson where he wants assurances of playing time before he signs his contract.

In fact, it's here! - http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=399810

Oh this guy.  How can he be "assured" he's going to play the majority of games?  If you suck, you don't play, simple as that.  The Leafs are supposed to guarantee this guy he'll be a top 4 pairing all year?

I mean he didn't really say he wants assurances that he'll be playing. In fact, that blog doesn't even have a single quote from Franson so it's a little difficult to say for sure how he's feeling. But I think that last sentence sums it up the best:

Franson wants to play and is willing to compete to earn that job, but understandably, has zero interest in returning to the press box again next season.

Can't really blame him. It's not like Wilson was totally justified in putting him in the pressbox that often last season. Komisarek and Schenn were both arguably worse defencemen on a regular basis than he was.

 

[Kin]

Oh this guy.  How can he be "assured" he's going to play the majority of games?  If you suck, you don't play, simple as that.  The Leafs are supposed to guarantee this guy he'll be a top 4 pairing all year?

Well, I think the thing in the specific case of the Leafs is that they really did carry too many defensemen last year. They basically had 6 guys who should have been NHL defensemen and Mike Komisarek. Wilson, I thought, was very quick to sit a guy if they had a so-so night and let Komisarek or whoever else was in the doghouse back in the line-up.

So there's a difference, I think, between earning your spot on a team that's well constructed and earning your spot on a team that's using sort of a rotation on the bottom pairing that's a result of a terribly NMC. I don't think it's unfair for Franson to say he doesn't want to be in another situation like that.

 

[Zee]

Oh this guy.  How can he be "assured" he's going to play the majority of games?  If you suck, you don't play, simple as that.  The Leafs are supposed to guarantee this guy he'll be a top 4 pairing all year?

Well, I think the thing in the specific case of the Leafs is that they really did carry too many defensemen last year. They basically had 6 guys who should have been NHL defensemen and Mike Komisarek. Wilson, I thought, was very quick to sit a guy if they had a so-so night and let Komisarek or whoever else was in the doghouse back in the line-up.

So there's a difference, I think, between earning your spot on a team that's well constructed and earning your spot on a team that's using sort of a rotation on the bottom pairing that's a result of a terribly NMC. I don't think it's unfair for Franson to say he doesn't want to be in another situation like that.

Sure but this is now the 2nd time this has come out in the press in less than a year.  All Franson had to say was "we're working on a new contract and i'm looking forward to playing"

Of course as it's been pointed out there are no direct quotes from Franson in that article, so it's tough to know what exactly he said. Generally though Jonas Siegel just reports what has been said to him, so I believe that Franson made those comments about inconsistent ice time.

 

[Deebo]

Is this the same Franson a lot of you are pumping up in your ridiculous trade proposals?

I'm glad we have you here to keep us grounded.

 

[Madferret]

Is this the same Franson a lot of you are pumping up in your ridiculous trade proposals?

I'm glad we have you here to keep us grounded.

You can lean on me, can I lean on you?