Unofficial 2012/2013 Armchair GM
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Britishbulldog
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Madferret said:
You caught that one did you?
Rats!
I can't go back and dig up any of the old posts now, but some people here have been talking about Getzlaf (UFA in one year) as an option for the Leafs when the time is right. Maybe, maybe that is something they can pull off in exchange for Kadri and Connolly - takes care of the Ducks 1st and 2nd line center problems. ;D
Capn_Crunch
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Was curious to see what you all thought of the idea of giving Semin a 1 maybe 2 yr deal at a good rate and see how he plays with Grabbo and Kulemin?
Would give us a good solid second line if they can mesh, especially if they are going to experiment with JVR at C with kessel and lupal.
I do know he has boatloads of offensive talent and has scored 40 goals before, something noone on our roster has done. He has one hell of a shot too, maybe one of the best in the game.
But there has to be a reason why noone has jumped on him as of yet this summer...
Would give us a good solid second line if they can mesh, especially if they are going to experiment with JVR at C with kessel and lupal.
I do know he has boatloads of offensive talent and has scored 40 goals before, something noone on our roster has done. He has one hell of a shot too, maybe one of the best in the game.
But there has to be a reason why noone has jumped on him as of yet this summer...
Cap'n Crunch said:
Well, if I was Semin and I wanted to play in the NHL (and not the KHL) then I would not accept a 1 or 2 year deal. I would ask for a 6 year deal to mitigate the risk I am injured. Since I'm the only reasonable offensive option left on the market, I've score 40 goals, and a boatload of teams have lots of cap space due to the increased cap then I would fully expect to get that 6-year deal. I mean if Ville Leino can get a 6-year deal, why can't I?
BlueWhiteBlood
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Here's an interesting article from MLHS today, talking about our need for a top line center.
?We need a number one center.?
- Every Leafs Fan
While it may not be seen as the organizations top priority, it is safe to assume that most people who have followed the Leafs in the post-Sundin era have been left wanting in this area. Personally I?d prioritize goaltending, followed by a top four defenseman, but there?s no denying that first center is a glam position and it?s more fun to talk about the guys who score goals than the guys who prevent them.
That?s not to say that Grabovski hasn?t been a revelation, and certainly he can be considered a top center in some capacity, but Connolly and Bozak would be the greater cause for concern.
I didn?t like the Connolly signing, and he didn?t have a great season. That being said, it?s clear he?s capable of more, and a large part of what held him back was that he was focused on filling the duties of a third line role player, not the playmaking center he is capable of being.
I am a fan of Bozak, but a center playing with two point per game wingers only coming up with 47 points is a huge problem. He simply cannot keep up in that first line role, and I have my doubts about him on the second line as well. It?s also notable that he is unlikely to usurp McClement and Steckel from the bottom six center roles that he may be best suited for, and presumably his days in Toronto are numbered.
I thought it was a good read, particularly breaking down the options based on specifications and availability potential. For me, Getzlaf is the guy to target, but I'm not sure he is available. I do wonder if he wants to leave Anaheim though...
?We need a number one center.?
- Every Leafs Fan
While it may not be seen as the organizations top priority, it is safe to assume that most people who have followed the Leafs in the post-Sundin era have been left wanting in this area. Personally I?d prioritize goaltending, followed by a top four defenseman, but there?s no denying that first center is a glam position and it?s more fun to talk about the guys who score goals than the guys who prevent them.
That?s not to say that Grabovski hasn?t been a revelation, and certainly he can be considered a top center in some capacity, but Connolly and Bozak would be the greater cause for concern.
I didn?t like the Connolly signing, and he didn?t have a great season. That being said, it?s clear he?s capable of more, and a large part of what held him back was that he was focused on filling the duties of a third line role player, not the playmaking center he is capable of being.
I am a fan of Bozak, but a center playing with two point per game wingers only coming up with 47 points is a huge problem. He simply cannot keep up in that first line role, and I have my doubts about him on the second line as well. It?s also notable that he is unlikely to usurp McClement and Steckel from the bottom six center roles that he may be best suited for, and presumably his days in Toronto are numbered.
I thought it was a good read, particularly breaking down the options based on specifications and availability potential. For me, Getzlaf is the guy to target, but I'm not sure he is available. I do wonder if he wants to leave Anaheim though...
LuncheonMeat
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BlueWhiteBlood said:
i would be up for that experiment. He has size and I would love to see what he could do with Kessel and Lupul on his wings.
BlueWhiteBlood
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LuncheonMeat said:
I'm sure we would all like it if Getzlaf became a Leaf, but I'm not sure about the availability.
Andy007
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So what's the deal with Peter Mueller? 24 year old big centre, 50 points as a rookie, top 10 pick, the potential is certainly there. He had that great run when he was traded to Colorodo (20 points in 15 games or something like that). Is it mostly an injury problem with him or is there some problem b/w the ears? Could he be a viable UFA acquistion?
gilmourthegreat
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Andy007 said:
From what I've heard, I think his problem is below the ankles, knuk knuk.
Redleaf
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Madferret said:
Seriously? What's more ridiculous, hoping for ONE of the available stars to sign with the Leafs, or posting on a Leaf site when you clearly dislike the franchise and bash the organization on every thread, not to mention most of the members of this site. What IS the motivation behind the angry weasel?
bustaheims
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Andy007 said:
A little bit of both, I believe. He'd be like plan Q in terms of UFA shopping. He's pretty much a reclamation project right now.
GhostofPotvin29
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Cap'n Crunch said:
He has definite mood-issues, but his point production and underlying numbers are all very good.
http://hockeyanalysis.com/2012/06/15/alexander-semin-and-elite-unrestricted-free-agent/
Andy007 said:
Repeated serious concussion issues seem to have plenty to do with it. He looked somewhat promising before that. They won't be able to insure his contract for the concussion problem. I have some doubts any NHL team will pick him up.
Along with that, I scanned the list of remaining UFAs. It's as weak a collection as I can recall.
Rebel_1812
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KW Sluggo said:
I don't think that is certain. He couldn't trade Suter because suter said he was considering the preds and they made the playoffs. If the preds are in play off position, he cannot trade weber for the same reasons. Also if Weber tells Poile he is considering the preds but wants to listen to offers then he can't trade weber because that would burn the bridge.
Britishbulldog
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So....
The top 2 lines seem to be:
Lupul, Grabovski, Kessel, JVR as guaranteed but still need a center and bit of size.
Does any 2 of MacArthur, Connolly, Kulemin, Bozak, Kadri fit the bill? I would think all should be disregarded.
Although I don't know if any centers are available in reality, I think Getzlaf is easily the number one choice for center simply based on age, skill set and size now that J Staal is off the market.
For the winger that would fit the bill and is most likely available I feel that Bobby Ryan and Evander Kane are the top choices and it is surprising to me how similar their stats are (besides +/-):
'87 Ryan 6-2 209 rh 82gms 31g 26a 57pts 53PIMs +1
'91 Kane 6-2 195 lh 74 gms 30g 27a 57pts 53PIMs +11
Everyone knows of Ryan's ordeal in Anaheim which is probably going to get him moved but what about Kane?
How about the crap he has endured in Winnipeg in his 1st and only season there?
".... I'm not sure I'd blame Evander Kane for wanting to put Winnipeg and the Jets in his rear-view mirror.
I mean, the kid hadn't even arrived in that frost-bitten burg and already a considerable number of locals were pooh-poohing him as a thoughtless, disrespectful punk with no sense of tradition or history.
His crime? He wanted to wear uniform No. 9."....
...."Then it got worse.
In no particular order, this is what he had to deal with in the Atlanta Thrashers-turned-Jets' inaugural season in River City:
*He spent so much time in coach Claude Noel's doghouse early in the season that Purina became his pre-game meal of choice.
*A rumor suggested he asked for a trade because he thought Noel was a doofus.
*He was accused of dining and dashing from local eateries and watering holes.
*He was allegedly involved in a bare-knuckle dustup at Whiskey Dix and suffered a concussion, which kept him out of the lineup.
*The Jets asked/ordered him to rein in his use of Twitter because his tweets were making him look like a twit.
*His car(s) is too fancy for a 20-year-old kid to be wheeling around in.
*An I Hate Evander Kane page appeared on Facebook.
*The envious spewed their venom about him being a party boy, spending too much time in bars and lording his celebrity status over the mere mortals who actually work for a living."
I can't see Anaheim moving Getzlaf AND Ryan unless it was an offer like 1st pick 2013, Kadri, Colborne, Bozak, MacArthur and Percy so I would target Kane.
Ofcourse a little lower than either of those 2 I would love to see Chris Stewart. The cost to get these player would rank Ryan as most painful followed by Kane and least painful would be Stewart.
Bottom 2 lines seem to be:
Frattin, McClement, Brown, Steckel as guaranteed but still need a toughness and hockey ability.
Does any 2 wingers out of Lombardi, Colborne, Komarov, Ashton, Rosehill, Orr fit the bill?
I think the best option is still CF's suggestion of Eager (....hmmm I wonder how Franson would like the cold winters in Edmonton??). Eager can fight heavyweights if needed but has decent hands and can actually play hockey.
So the line up could be something like:
Lupul (JVR) / Getzlaf / Kessel
Lupul (JVR) / Grabovski / Ryan or Kane (or Stewart)
Frattin / McClement / Komarov
Brown / Steckel / Eager
Gunnarsson / Phaneuf
Liles / Komisarek
Gardiner / Holzer
Luongo
Reimer
Top 6 and goaltending would be set for at least 8 years.
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,591,667; BONUSES: $562,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $7,608,333 (remove an additional $2 MIL for the 3 players in the press box)
Leaving the trade bait being:
1st pick 2013, Kadri, MacArthur, Connolly, Kulemin, Bozak, Lombardi, Orr, and Franson + any prospect I would think.
The top 2 lines seem to be:
Lupul, Grabovski, Kessel, JVR as guaranteed but still need a center and bit of size.
Does any 2 of MacArthur, Connolly, Kulemin, Bozak, Kadri fit the bill? I would think all should be disregarded.
Although I don't know if any centers are available in reality, I think Getzlaf is easily the number one choice for center simply based on age, skill set and size now that J Staal is off the market.
For the winger that would fit the bill and is most likely available I feel that Bobby Ryan and Evander Kane are the top choices and it is surprising to me how similar their stats are (besides +/-):
'87 Ryan 6-2 209 rh 82gms 31g 26a 57pts 53PIMs +1
'91 Kane 6-2 195 lh 74 gms 30g 27a 57pts 53PIMs +11
Everyone knows of Ryan's ordeal in Anaheim which is probably going to get him moved but what about Kane?
How about the crap he has endured in Winnipeg in his 1st and only season there?
".... I'm not sure I'd blame Evander Kane for wanting to put Winnipeg and the Jets in his rear-view mirror.
I mean, the kid hadn't even arrived in that frost-bitten burg and already a considerable number of locals were pooh-poohing him as a thoughtless, disrespectful punk with no sense of tradition or history.
His crime? He wanted to wear uniform No. 9."....
...."Then it got worse.
In no particular order, this is what he had to deal with in the Atlanta Thrashers-turned-Jets' inaugural season in River City:
*He spent so much time in coach Claude Noel's doghouse early in the season that Purina became his pre-game meal of choice.
*A rumor suggested he asked for a trade because he thought Noel was a doofus.
*He was accused of dining and dashing from local eateries and watering holes.
*He was allegedly involved in a bare-knuckle dustup at Whiskey Dix and suffered a concussion, which kept him out of the lineup.
*The Jets asked/ordered him to rein in his use of Twitter because his tweets were making him look like a twit.
*His car(s) is too fancy for a 20-year-old kid to be wheeling around in.
*An I Hate Evander Kane page appeared on Facebook.
*The envious spewed their venom about him being a party boy, spending too much time in bars and lording his celebrity status over the mere mortals who actually work for a living."
I can't see Anaheim moving Getzlaf AND Ryan unless it was an offer like 1st pick 2013, Kadri, Colborne, Bozak, MacArthur and Percy so I would target Kane.
Ofcourse a little lower than either of those 2 I would love to see Chris Stewart. The cost to get these player would rank Ryan as most painful followed by Kane and least painful would be Stewart.
Bottom 2 lines seem to be:
Frattin, McClement, Brown, Steckel as guaranteed but still need a toughness and hockey ability.
Does any 2 wingers out of Lombardi, Colborne, Komarov, Ashton, Rosehill, Orr fit the bill?
I think the best option is still CF's suggestion of Eager (....hmmm I wonder how Franson would like the cold winters in Edmonton??). Eager can fight heavyweights if needed but has decent hands and can actually play hockey.
So the line up could be something like:
Lupul (JVR) / Getzlaf / Kessel
Lupul (JVR) / Grabovski / Ryan or Kane (or Stewart)
Frattin / McClement / Komarov
Brown / Steckel / Eager
Gunnarsson / Phaneuf
Liles / Komisarek
Gardiner / Holzer
Luongo
Reimer
Top 6 and goaltending would be set for at least 8 years.
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,591,667; BONUSES: $562,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $7,608,333 (remove an additional $2 MIL for the 3 players in the press box)
Leaving the trade bait being:
1st pick 2013, Kadri, MacArthur, Connolly, Kulemin, Bozak, Lombardi, Orr, and Franson + any prospect I would think.
GhostofPotvin29
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Why would MacArthur not fit in the top 6? He has provided top 6 scoring since he's been here, and I think he's played a pretty good all-around game.
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