Unofficial 2013-2014 Armchair GM Thread

[GhostofPotvin29]

Yeah no way I'm moving Gardiner AND a 1st for "culture change."

Best way to "change the culture" is get as good a team as possible and win.  You win, magically you have a good culture.  Don't make trades with culture specifically as a reason.

 

[Kin]

As I have stated elsewhere, I have watched Weber a bit now and he misses the net on his heavy shot

I'm sure Steve Stamkos misses the net with shots too.

get skated around by quick forwards

Man, he sure as sugar didn't have a problem with quick forwards at the Olympics.

Infact I would argue that when Phaneuf was in the 'zone' earlier in the year shutting down the league's top stars he was playing at least as well as Weber if not better.

C'mon.

 

[Redleaf]

Franson + Leafs 1st pick 2014 for Gudbranson

Hmmmm I just can't see FLA doing that. They will want to add Ekbald TO the young defense they have and not create a hole just to fill it with an even younger d-man. I would love Gudbranson but I think you would be more likely sending them Gardiner to get him back. That's the type of move it would have to be for them to make it.

Gardiner + Leafs 1st pick 2014 for Gudbranson

Done.  This is only a small step towards the culture change and alone wouldn't make a significant change. 

With Carlyle's vague accusation of a player comparing himself I can only assume that it was Gardiner comparing himself to Mark Fraser.  That kind of delusion will only poison the locker room.

Gardiner would be the heir apparent for Campbell.

I think that's a lot to give up for Gudbranson.

I'm not sure I'd move either Gardiner or our 1st for him, let alone both.

I think you might be able get him for Gardiner alone, but I'd only want him so he could be paired up with the guy you'd be trading away to get him, so??.pass

 

[Jalili]

I think you might be able get him for Gardiner alone, but I'd only want him so he could be paired up with the guy you'd be trading away to get him, so??.pass

We do also have serviceable young D-men in our ranks that could fill the role of that big, stay-at-home guy. It's just a matter of being patient.

 

[Tigger]

With Carlyle's vague accusation of a player comparing himself I can only assume that it was Gardiner comparing himself to Mark Fraser.  That kind of delusion will only poison the locker room.

? not sure if serious...

Also, Gardiner and a 1st? Not even Gardiner.

 

[Redleaf]

I think you might be able get him for Gardiner alone, but I'd only want him so he could be paired up with the guy you'd be trading away to get him, so??.pass

We do also have serviceable young D-men in our ranks that could fill the role of that big, stay-at-home guy. It's just a matter of being patient.

There are a few that could be serviceable. Which one could be a first line pairing though?

 

[Rebel_1812]

Lupul + Phaneuf for Weber

I would do it in a second, but I doubt it would happen.

This is actually the only 'real' shake-up trade.  It is Shanahan and Nonis making an emphatic point regarding the culture of the Leafs.

As I have stated elsewhere, I have watched Weber a bit now and he misses the net on his heavy shot, get skated around by quick forwards, etc. Infact I would argue that when Phaneuf was in the 'zone' earlier in the year shutting down the league's top stars he was playing at least as well as Weber if not better.  Weber is making $14 MIL this year.  What I like about what I saw with Weber is the way he carries himself on the ice, especially with his team mates.

I am not happy selling Lupul at his low point because he is a top 2nd line player.  With Lupul in the line up (which admittedly hasn't been as much as it should have been because of injuries) you can pencil in 25 - 30 goals, he averages 2 hits a game and isn't afraid to fight. 

I do not want to get rid of either player but was thinking might be one of the only things drastic enough to change the culture.

Thats the thing about Lupul; he never plays a full season.  We don't want cap money tied up to a guy that isn't in the line up and has problems playing defense.

 

[Jalili]

I think you might be able get him for Gardiner alone, but I'd only want him so he could be paired up with the guy you'd be trading away to get him, so??.pass

We do also have serviceable young D-men in our ranks that could fill the role of that big, stay-at-home guy. It's just a matter of being patient.

There are a few that could be serviceable. Which one could be a first line pairing though?

None; all of them are depth D-men.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I think you might be able get him for Gardiner alone, but I'd only want him so he could be paired up with the guy you'd be trading away to get him, so??.pass

We do also have serviceable young D-men in our ranks that could fill the role of that big, stay-at-home guy. It's just a matter of being patient.

There are a few that could be serviceable. Which one could be a first line pairing though?

None; all of them are depth D-men.

The Leafs have a ton of highly regarded young and youngish dmen in the system.

Personally I think the law of averages says at least one will be a really solid player, I mean sample size but, Granberg looked fantastic in terms of being a nasty defense first guy who can skate and make a first pass.

I see a lot of people posting in the Armchair thread constantly with trades and free agent signings, but rarely do we promote from within and if you look around the league, that is pretty much what you need to do to have a winner.

EDIT:

Rielly
Gardiner
Finn
Percy
Knodel
Granberg
Nilsson
Loov
MacWilliam
Brennan
Everson

 

[AvroArrow]

I see a lot of people posting in the Armchair thread constantly with trades and free agent signings, but rarely do we promote from within and if you look around the league, that is pretty much what you need to do to have a winner.

Agreed!

 

[Redleaf]

I see a lot of people posting in the Armchair thread constantly with trades and free agent signings, but rarely do we promote from within and if you look around the league, that is pretty much what you need to do to have a winner.

Agreed!

I agree too, but it's just not exciting talking about players we already have.

 

[Highlander]

Excellent article in the  Saturday Globe about the wave of young Swedish D-Men. They are being taught from a very young age to remain calm, view the ice and make tape to tape passes, not the chip and dump style so popular in N.A.  Perhaps the pipeline of young swedes should be of more interest to our scouts, we need D-Men whom can keep their heads in their own end and not panic like so many of our current D.

 

[Rebel_1812]

If they want to change the culture they will have to move alot of players out; plain and simple.  I would be willing to have another year or two rebuild.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Excellent article in the  Saturday Globe about the wave of young Swedish D-Men. They are being taught from a very young age to remain calm, view the ice and make tape to tape passes, not the chip and dump style so popular in N.A.  Perhaps the pipeline of young swedes should be of more interest to our scouts, we need D-Men whom can keep their heads in their own end and not panic like so many of our current D.

Gunnarsson
Granberg
Nilsson
Loov

 

[bustaheims]

Best way to "change the culture" is get as good a team as possible and win.  You win, magically you have a good culture.  Don't make trades with culture specifically as a reason.

Exactly. This whole "changing the culture" stuff is such an empty phrase.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Best way to "change the culture" is get as good a team as possible and win.  You win, magically you have a good culture.  Don't make trades with culture specifically as a reason.

Exactly. This whole "changing the culture" stuff is such an empty phrase.

Not really.  I see it all the time at the gym.  A good cultures leads to good habits and then good results.  I see it all the time at the gym.  People that think they will just work-out for a month and get killer results never last long there and quit.  They have a bad mentality towards exercise and so won't be willing to do the things it takes to get results.  These people usually hang around other out of shape people which is where the bad habits start.  Contrast this with people that do get results in the gym, have good habits and usually hang out with other successful people. 

That is why alot of the losers on the team have to go.  Even though they might make a good play here or there, they aren't playing for the full 60 minutes.  We don't want the younger and impressionable players like Rielly to think this is ok.

 

[Redleaf]

Best way to "change the culture" is get as good a team as possible and win.  You win, magically you have a good culture.  Don't make trades with culture specifically as a reason.

Exactly. This whole "changing the culture" stuff is such an empty phrase.

Not really.  I see it all the time at the gym.  A good cultures leads to good habits and then good results.  I see it all the time at the gym.  People that think they will just work-out for a month and get killer results never last long there and quit.  They have a bad mentality towards exercise and so won't be willing to do the things it takes to get results.  These people usually hang around other out of shape people which is where the bad habits start.  Contrast this with people that do get results in the gym, have good habits and usually hang out with other successful people. 

That is why alot of the losers on the team have to go.  Even though they might make a good play here or there, they aren't playing for the full 60 minutes.  We don't want the younger and impressionable players like Rielly to think this is ok.

Which player(s) are you referring to?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That is why alot of the losers on the team have to go.  Even though they might make a good play here or there, they aren't playing for the full 60 minutes.  We don't want the younger and impressionable players like Rielly to think this is ok.

Which player(s) are you referring to?

The ones we don't like.

 

[mc]

Like that St Louis game. Was full of inspiring plays for our D.

 

[Redleaf]

That is why alot of the losers on the team have to go.  Even though they might make a good play here or there, they aren't playing for the full 60 minutes.  We don't want the younger and impressionable players like Rielly to think this is ok.

Which player(s) are you referring to?

The ones we don't like.

Lol. Yeah that narrows it down to half the team.