Champ Kind
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Wanted to revive this one a bit after watching some of the Minnesota game the other night. I'd like to see the Leafs target Josh Harding in the off-season and go with Harding and either Reimer or Gus in 2012-23.
We need Cory Schneider
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We_Miss_Sundin
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Burkie should turn his attention to acquiring a No. 1 goalie. You can't go anywhere with 2 back ups... period!
Champ Kind
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We_Miss_Sundin said:
The 2010 Philadelphia Flyers - the ones that lost in the Cup finals - want to have a word with you.
Check out Josh Harding's performance over the last number of years and get back to me on that.
BC Buds Fan
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Champ Kind said:
Did you mean the Philadelphia Flyers who finished with 106 pts at the end of the 2010-2011 season? I'm thinking they had such a strong team up front that they somehow made up for weaker goaltending. The Leafs situation is different --- they need more consistency from the goalies.
BC Buds Fan
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My bad, you meant the year earlier -- the Flyers did finish 7th, though they did trade for Pronger that year who I'm assuming made life pretty miserable in front of the goalies.
maplesyrup
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Is he (Schneider) worth Gardiner? Is Allaire the problem? I don't know... Just searching for answers.
Sarge said:
Allaire is probably the only goaltending coach in the league who would possibly get criticized for a teams goalies struggling. The talent level of our goalies just haven't been very high, he's not a miracle worker.
GhostofPotvin29
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CarltonTheBear said:
Admittedly I'm not on other team's forums so much, but I've never heard of a goaltending coach get so much flak from the fan base. Prior to hearing about Allaire I doubt I could have even named another goalie coach in the league.
Tigger said:
Really? I know he's playing behind Vancouver and everything, but this season he's really been making a case that he can be a bona fide number 1 goalie. Potential number 1 goalie vs. potential top pairing defenceman? I don't think it would be an easy no, particularly given our situation in net.
CarltonTheBear said:
I don't dispute Schneiders talent, though as you say he does play behind a pretty good team but I just don't think you can take that kind of risk with goalie who isn't a bonfide #1 starter ( even then ), nor can I think of a comparable example to the idea.
Toronto doesn't have the best goaltending in the league but their troubles are much more involved than just that and a true top pairing defenseman would be much more valuable to the team going forward, imho, he should be the last one involved in a trade if the Leafs are really looking long term seriously.
GhostofPotvin29
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I wouldn't mind trying to get that Ben Bishop fella who is stuck in the minors in St. Louis and is a pending UFA. 6'7", 25 years old.
Potvin29 said:
Agreed. If I'm Burke I take a run at either him or Harding this summer (or even before that).
edit: Assuming of course we can't get a legitimate number 1 goalie, which is doubtful.
bustaheims
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Tigger said:
I agree. In fact, I really want to see the Leafs become a team that can win consistently without high-end goaltending. I want the goaltender to the last piece added once all the other deficiencies are addressed, not before so that it serves in part to cover them up.
bustaheims said:
Yeah, they've some work to do bringing the defensive aspect into the game regularly. I really enjoy watching their speed and offensive game and when they're 'on' they can use that to a pretty fair advantage but, as is true with a lot young teams on the rise, a complete game is missing on average.
I think there's a fair point to be made about confidence but that's also a two way street, they've learned to use their speed one way, now they have to learn how to use it going the other way too... better and more consistent backside pressure from the forwards, physicality, closer gaps, easier and earlier outs, topped off with more net presence overall.
Fewer turnovers would be nice too, hopefully a nice byproduct of the above.
They can't do that overnight and I honestly don't want them to abandon their offensive game, that's a gear they have and should still be part of their arsenal, just that closer attention the other way is what they really need to take the next step.
A better goalie would be nice but not at the expense of the big picture ( well the one that's in my noggin' anyways )
We_Miss_Sundin
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A number one goalie will save their asses until they can perfect their defensive game...