What the hell is wrong with humanity?

[Kin]

Circa to today's generation.  As we know, human nature changes.  So do circumstances that surround us.  Today, there is more crime than ever before. 

Absolutely. There is no doubt that the rampant criminality today is reflective on today's generation. Except, of course, for the fact that the opposite is true.

Canada's Crime Rate lowest in 37 years

 

[hockeyfan1]

Circa to today's generation.  As we know, human nature changes.  So do circumstances that surround us.  Today, there is more
crime than ever before.
 

Absolutely. There is no doubt that the rampant criminality today is
reflective on today's generation. Except, of course, for the fact
that the opposite is true.

Canada's Crime Rate lowest in 37 years

Yes, I already knew that.  But, today, many people also do not believe the statistics too much.  Violent crime may be down, but other crimes not taken into consideration (or unreported) are not always taken into the statistical equation.  The statistics concerning lower crime rates does not necessarily put people at ease, not when they hear or have just read about someone being attacked by a bunch of hoods or a woman being assaulted while walking home at night.

This isn't the era of little or no crime, Nik.  There is plenty of it happening, even in a low-key way.  I'm not implying in any way that people need to take a refuge mentality.  Unfortunately, convincing people that the crime rate isn't something to worry about, isn't an easy task to undertake.  I've spoken to many a person asking them if they believed the statistics or the newspapers.  Invariably, many of their perceptions of crime were a reflection of media reporting.  Even if crime is low, the media writing about it or speaking of it is enough to render the low crime statistics overblown exaggeration.

 

[maplesyrup]

This;

I mean as long as America knows it was a Yankee fan...

 

[bustaheims]

Clearly, he killed him with a photoshopped gun as well.

 

[Sucker Punch]

The answer, could be, generational.  How do I mean by that?  Well, for one thing, the generations change.  For example, my parents generation was of a different mindset and nature.  More in tune with the times, of making a new life for themselves and their respective families.  The idea of hard work in line with prosperity, respecting their new country and valuing the opportunity for a brand new start in their lives.  A disciplined,  'unspoiled' generation that came from the old country, not having had much in the way of material goods, having had to endure the remnants of WWII,  etc., etc. 

I don't buy that.  People glamorize the past.

Racism and sexism, for example, is less apparent in the newer generation than the "good ol' days".  Crimes like rape and spousal abuse may seem more frequent now, but I think that has a lot to do with it being reported far more often these days.

Our parents look back on their youth with rose-tinted glasses while demonizing their children's generation.  We're going to do the same thing, as will our children, so on and so forth.

Humans are incredibly flawed creatures, but we're not evolving to become more evil.

 

[Kin]

Yes, I already knew that.

Right. So you knew that but you stated the opposite as a fact.

Pull the other leg, change comes out.

The statistics concerning lower crime rates does not necessarily put people at ease, not when they hear or have just read about someone being attacked by a bunch of hoods or a woman being assaulted while walking home at night.

Or, say, when there are people who say that crime has never been higher when that's entirely untrue? And use that to try and make a larger point about people today?

This isn't the era of little or no crime, Nik.  There is plenty of it happening, even in a low-key way.  I'm not implying in any way that people need to take a refuge mentality.  Unfortunately, convincing people that the crime rate isn't something to worry about, isn't an easy task to undertake.  I've spoken to many a person asking them if they believed the statistics or the newspapers.  Invariably, many of their perceptions of crime were a reflection of media reporting.  Even if crime is low, the media writing about it or speaking of it is enough to render the low crime statistics overblown exaggeration.

Oh come on. You got called on BSing. At least have the decency to admit it rather than pretend you were making a comment on the media. What you wrote about crime being higher today than ever before was both wrong and as alarmist as anything written by the media. If the crime rate is reflective on society as a whole then we're getting better, not worse.

 

[maplesyrup]

Clearly, he killed him with a photoshopped gun as well.

Actually, the golden gun is real... It was Khadafy's. I wouldn't put it past the Post to photoshop the cap though!

 

[hockeyfan1]

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"Police have reported increases in sexual assaults, firearms-related offences, child pornograghy and drug offences".

While the overall crime rate is lower, there are still other crimes that the general populace isn't stupid enough to
NOT notice.  That was my point all along.  Yeah, crime is at it's lowest ebb, so, big deal.  But, as long as the
media keeps it on it's front page, it certainly isn't helping
to change people's perceptions of crime, in general.

Experts have said all along that with an older (aging)
population,  crime usually decreases.  This also holds true in better economic times.

 

[Kin]

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"Police have reported increases in sexual assaults, firearms-related offences, child pornograghy and drug offences".

While the overall crime rate is lower, there are still other crimes that the general populace isn't stupid enough to NOT notice.  That was my point all along.

Um, no. And it's total hogwash to pretend it was. You said crime was at an all-time high and that was indicative of what people of today were like as a generation. That was 100%, unadulterated nonsense. Supported by nothing.

  Yeah, crime is at it's lowest ebb, so, big deal.  But, as long as the media keeps it on it's front page, it certainly isn't helping to change people's perceptions of crime, in general.

I'd say it's a pretty big deal that crime is dropping. Crime is bad. It's good when it drops. If we're going to try to link criminality to the generation then it's encouraging to see crime dropping. If high crime is reflective on a bad generation then people born in the 50's and 60's have a lot to answer for.

If people are going to come to faulty perceptions of the amount of crime in a society then the fault lies with those people, not the media. It took me all of five seconds to find that CBC story and StatsCan keeps a pretty good website going.

 

[bustaheims]

Clearly, he killed him with a photoshopped gun as well.

Actually, the golden gun is real... It was Khadafy's. I wouldn't put it past the Post to photoshop the cap though!

I've seen other pictures of him with it, but, that one looks really unnatural.

 

[Tigger]

When I think of crime on the rise I definitely don't think of Canada, more like Darfur.

The yin and yang of it is that we are a reflection of a hostile environment that we survive by having some kind of empathy for others from time to time but mostly it's just a selfish dog eat dog reality and momma nature leads by example.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Nik seems unencourageable and unforgiving.  I wonder why?

I still stand by what I say concerning people's perceptions. 

http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/resources/educational/teaching_backgrounders/crime/crime_time_news.cfm

 

[maplesyrup]

"We're born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we're not alone." - Orson Welles.

 

[Kin]

Nik seems unencourageable and unforgiving.  I wonder why?

Tough to say. I do know, though, that "unencourageable" isn't a word.

 

[Bates]

I have read a few times in the last couple years that crime stats have been a little misleading.  Here is an articlethat deals with this


http://macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/MLI-Crime_Statistics_Review-Web.pdf

 

[Tigger]

I have read a few times in the last couple years that crime stats have been a little misleading.  Here is an articlethat deals with this


http://macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/MLI-Crime_Statistics_Review-Web.pdf

Stats in favor of those who provide them? Say it ain't so man!

 

[Kin]

I have read a few times in the last couple years that crime stats have been a little misleading.  Here is an articlethat deals with this


http://macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/MLI-Crime_Statistics_Review-Web.pdf

And, really, who should you believe on crime, the police or a conservative think-tank?

 

[Bates]

I don't think I should put all my faith in stats provided by police who ask for huge budget increases every year to keep doing the great job they are doing.  This is as I said one example of many that I have read on the subject.  I am not saying that crime is worse or better but it is tough to believe police stats that seem to say every year that crime is falling yet it does not feel that way.  Last police chief in Saskatoon caught major flak when it was revealed that the catagories for crime had changed and thus presented itself as crime rate falling when in fact it was actually rising.

 

[lc9]

Same thing that's always been wrong with humanity, probably.

After reading through the thread, this seems to sum it up best.  Crime has always been and will always be, lets not pretend this generation is the knife in the heart of social prosperity and peace.

I mean look at the run of Roman Emperors after Cesar: Tiberius, Caligula and Nero.  If you want to see evil, read about these boys.

Things could be worse.

 

[Kin]

I don't think I should put all my faith in stats provided by police who ask for huge budget increases every year to keep doing the great job they are doing.

Of course, that's counter-intuitive though. Wouldn't the police get a bigger budget if they had more crime to clean up as opposed to less?

We've seen south of the border why there's a real interest in establishing a prison industry. Conservatives throwing rocks at pretty basic statistical data in the hopes of building new prisons are the people looking for a dollar here.

And, for the record, I do believe our police are doing a terrific job.

I am not saying that crime is worse or better but it is tough to believe police stats that seem to say every year that crime is falling yet it does not feel that way.

I don't think that how a crime rate feels matters much in the great deal of things.