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Wild @ Leafs - Oct. 15th, 7:00pm - SN, TSN 1050

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Very classy by Phil.

That right there was a sign of character and respect. It was a subtle move, but it means a lot.
 
Leafs D icetime tonight:

Phaneuf 22:18
Gardiner 21:59
Ranger 20:13
Gunnarsson 19:28
Franson 19:11
Rielly 17:57

Nice balance all around.
 
I only saw the end but to judge from the GDT and SOG we leaned heavily on Reimer.  azzurri's got a point, you can't keep going on getting outshot 3x1 and expect your IMMENSE AND UNREMITTING LUCK to save you.  :)
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I only saw the end but to judge from the GDT and SOG we leaned heavily on Reimer.  azzurri's got a point, you can't keep going on getting outshot 3x1 and expect your IMMENSE AND UNREMITTING LUCK to save you.  :)

I feel though that this was a game that sort of revealed the shortcomings of Corsi while kind of reinforcing the sort of inarguable point that it's based on. I feel like the Leafs did a really good job of limiting the number of dangerous chances that the Wild had, shot totals aside, and had some opportunities where they looked pretty dangerous that didn't result in a shot total that might reflect that.

Obviously the central tenet of having puck possession and outshooting your opponent will have a correlation to winning hockey games most of the time but a night like tonight just makes me think that it's not anywhere near to a precise enough measurement to really be useful.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Yeah they limited them to just two clear cut breakaways.

It doesn't show the limitation of shot chances as a proxy for winning because no one advocates using it in such a limited scope and without context anyways.  It's still better to dominate possession, and until NHL tracks zone time again, this is a good proxy for it.  Over time, it is better to be good than bad at it.

Games ending up like this don't change that.  Glad they won and cheered them the whole way doing it, but it's still a dangerous way to play consistently.
 
Another ugly game, another ugly win.  I don't know how much longer I can keep telling myself that I can't complain as long as they come home with 2 points.
 
What I like about the Leafs team is that they seem to have a lot of finishers on the team - just that great ability to find the net.  Seems like the team has an above average number of them, just based on eyesight alone.
 
Potvin29 said:
What I like about the Leafs team is that they seem to have a lot of finishers on the team - just that great ability to find the net.  Seems like the team has an above average number of them, just based on eyesight alone.

They're also very good at moving the puck east-west to create high percentage scoring opportunities. They're getting the other goalies moving laterally, and that opens up holes.
 
Potvin29 said:
What I like about the Leafs team is that they seem to have a lot of finishers on the team - just that great ability to find the net.  Seems like the team has an above average number of them, just based on eyesight alone.

Agree. Last year was the same story...getting wins while playing only 20 - 40 minutes. I guess it shows that finishing can outweigh some parts of the game that are detrimental. Hughson said it best last saturday, "The Leafs can score their way out of trouble"

What's a few extra turnovers and some extra shots from the outside when they bury the few(er) chances they do generate?

It's ok for the regular season, they can get a playoff position if they can keep finishing, but they will meet some teams that are too complete to beat in the spring if that keeps up.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Yeah they limited them to just two clear cut breakaways.

It doesn't show the limitation of shot chances as a proxy for winning because no one advocates using it in such a limited scope and without context anyways.  It's still better to dominate possession, and until NHL tracks zone time again, this is a good proxy for it.  Over time, it is better to be good than bad at it.

Games ending up like this don't change that.  Glad they won and cheered them the whole way doing it, but it's still a dangerous way to play consistently.

Huh. That doesn't sound like something I said an hour ago.
 
Stickytape said:
Another ugly game, another ugly win.  I don't know how much longer I can keep telling myself that I can't complain as long as they come home with 2 points.

Until they stop winning?
 
this reminds me a lot of when people used to say .."the leafs only win because they have cujo"  ...well..you know what...i'm okay with that...i welcome our new team with two cujos
 
Nik the Trik said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I only saw the end but to judge from the GDT and SOG we leaned heavily on Reimer.  azzurri's got a point, you can't keep going on getting outshot 3x1 and expect your IMMENSE AND UNREMITTING LUCK to save you.  :)

I feel though that this was a game that sort of revealed the shortcomings of Corsi while kind of reinforcing the sort of inarguable point that it's based on. I feel like the Leafs did a really good job of limiting the number of dangerous chances that the Wild had, shot totals aside, and had some opportunities where they looked pretty dangerous that didn't result in a shot total that might reflect that.

Obviously the central tenet of having puck possession and outshooting your opponent will have a correlation to winning hockey games most of the time but a night like tonight just makes me think that it's not anywhere near to a precise enough measurement to really be useful.

I agree. I was just going over this with my friend that based on all the stats, the Leafs should have outright lost this game, but, well, the score shows that it wasn't even close.
 

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