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World Cup rosters being announced

herman said:
No Kessel :(

But Matthews! Over Galchenyuk, etc.

So stupid, they've taken role players instead of the best players.

The beauty of Team Canada is they've had an amazing coach that can get buy-in from the best players to do the unglamorous jobs when playing for their country to help the greater good.

 
Patrick said:
So stupid, they've taken role players instead of the best players.

Seriously. Not taking Kessel after the playoffs he's having, but taking Abdelkader, Callahan, Dubinsky, and a broken Kesler? Craziness.
 
bustaheims said:
Patrick said:
So stupid, they've taken role players instead of the best players.

Seriously. Not taking Kessel after the playoffs he's having, but taking Abdelkader, Callahan, Dubinsky, and a broken Kesler? Craziness.

The only logical thing I can think of is that Kessel said no?
 
Always important to keep in mind that puzzling roster decisions for an event like this could have a lot to do with who wants to actually go. It's not like this is the most prestigious tournament in the world.
 
bustaheims said:
L K said:
The only logical thing I can think of is that Kessel said no?

That is basically the only way it makes any sense.

It was reported on the Fan 590 that Kessel was very upset about the decision.

Sounds like he wanted to go.

Trivia time:

Q: Who was the highest scoring Forward at the last best-on-best tournament in Sochi?

A: P. Kessel

Dumb move by the US.
 
Dean Lombardi is the US GM. He clearly has a template that Phil doesn't fit in (or perhaps that niche was already occupied by Kane).
 
Tyler Johnson also didn't make the team. He didn't have a great year but that's another weird one.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
No Hall/Subban/Letang for Canada? I'm not entirely surprised but those are still bad calls.

I'm a bit surprised about Hall, but not so much Subban/Letang. The last few selected teams seem to have prioritized depth players at the back end a bit more geared to the defending/conservative side of the game.
 
bustaheims said:
L K said:
The only logical thing I can think of is that Kessel said no?

That is basically the only way it makes any sense.

Burke told Shattenkirk that he was left off the team because they wanted to play a heavier game. And Torts is their head coach. It's not really that surprising.
 
herman said:
Dean Lombardi is the US GM. He clearly has a template that Phil doesn't fit in (or perhaps that niche was already occupied by Kane).

Trying to counter Canada's system when it comes to truly building a world beating team is my guess.

When push comes to shove Kessel is still a defensively disinterested gifted scorer thriving in a depth role.  Just like he thrived on lesser world teams but got completely shut down against Canada.

Nice to see JVR make the team, though.  ;)
 
TBLeafer said:
herman said:
Dean Lombardi is the US GM. He clearly has a template that Phil doesn't fit in (or perhaps that niche was already occupied by Kane).

Trying to counter Canada's system when it comes to truly building a world beating team is my guess.

When push comes to shove Kessel is still a defensively disinterested gifted scorer thriving in a depth role.  Just like he thrived on lesser world teams but got completely shut down against Canada.

Nice to see JVR make the team, though.  ;)

I'm not sure which team the USA group is designed to beat...
 
herman said:
TBLeafer said:
herman said:
Dean Lombardi is the US GM. He clearly has a template that Phil doesn't fit in (or perhaps that niche was already occupied by Kane).

Trying to counter Canada's system when it comes to truly building a world beating team is my guess.

When push comes to shove Kessel is still a defensively disinterested gifted scorer thriving in a depth role.  Just like he thrived on lesser world teams but got completely shut down against Canada.

Nice to see JVR make the team, though.  ;)

I'm not sure which team the USA group is designed to beat...

Themselves!  ;D
 
TBLeafer said:
herman said:
Dean Lombardi is the US GM. He clearly has a template that Phil doesn't fit in (or perhaps that niche was already occupied by Kane).

Trying to counter Canada's system when it comes to truly building a world beating team is my guess.

Spot on, TBLeafer
http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1036426

Instead of taking pure skill in the form of forwards Phil Kessel and Paul Stastny and defensemen Cam Fowler and Kevin Shattenkirk, the U.S. went with grinders Ryan Callahan and Brandon Dubinsky up front and two-way players Jack Johnson and Erik Johnson on the blue line. Lombardi said the goal was the ''type of the team that you think can beat Canada,'' and one that will coalesce quickly without much time to prepare.

''It made it essential that you do all your research in terms of not only the quality of the player and his ability but their history of being a good teammate and things like that,'' Lombardi said Tuesday in a phone interview. ''There was a lot to choose from, don't forget. There are a lot of good players and you could easily argue that this guy should be here and everything else, and you wouldn't be wrong.''

[...]

Lombardi was quick to point to the Chicago Blackhawks' Patrick Kane, Minnesota Wild's Zach Parise and San Jose Sharks' Joe Pavelski as the offensive talent that should mesh with the toughness of Dubinsky, Callahan, St. Louis Blues captain David Backes and Anaheim Ducks center Ryan Kesler.

No Kessel came as a surprise given that he tied for the scoring lead at the 2014 Sochi Olympics and is leading the Pittsburgh Penguins in points in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Lombardi said the U.S. had plenty of skilled wingers and was looking to fill specific roles with its final few players.

''He's a top player, but so are these other guys,'' Lombardi said of Kessel. ''It's a good problem to have, but you can't have all skill just like you can't have all grit. You're building a team, not an All-Star team.''

Lombardi and fellow USA Hockey management members Paul Holmgren and Brian Burke like a certain amount of size and toughness on their teams, so they knew this team would have a certain MO. Hiring Tortorella cemented that, and the final roster meetings in Colorado included a lot of the coach's input.

Not the worst idea in a competition on NHL ice, but also an outdated model in my opinion.
 
To be fair, a lot of Canada's choices in the last two Olympics were also pretty heavily questioned at the time along the same lines. Not that they were taking bad players but that they were taking guys to fill roles as opposed to just taking the best skill players available. Kunitz over Giroux in '14, Morrow over St. Louis in '10...
 
Nik the Trik said:
To be fair, a lot of Canada's choices in the last two Olympics were also pretty heavily questioned at the time along the same lines. Not that they were taking bad players but that they were taking guys to fill roles as opposed to just taking the best skill players available. Kunitz over Giroux in '14, Morrow over St. Louis in '10...

In these tournaments, the head coach selected seems to have tremendous sway in the team build since they have to gel relatively quickly. Coaches tend to pick the reliable order-followers who can stick to the game plans to anchor the more creative and skilled players.

I couldn't find much to complain about the Canadian roster this time.
 
Nik the Trik said:
To be fair, a lot of Canada's choices in the last two Olympics were also pretty heavily questioned at the time along the same lines. Not that they were taking bad players but that they were taking guys to fill roles as opposed to just taking the best skill players available. Kunitz over Giroux in '14, Morrow over St. Louis in '10...

Exactly.  You aren't building an All-Star team.  You need role players.  That was the harsh lesson Canada learned in the Olympics in 2006 prior to Babcock coming in to coach.

They didn't medal. They didn't even place in the top 5.  They had an All-Star team aside from Bertuzzi.  7th place with the goaltending tandem of Brodeur and Luongo.
 

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