bustaheims
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Gonzalez would make an excellent #2 behind Romero in the Jays rotation (well, really, #3, since they're both lefties, so, they'll likely split them up).
2011 Blue Jays/MLB Thread
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Gonzalez would make an excellent #2 behind Romero in the Jays rotation (well, really, #3, since they're both lefties, so, they'll likely split them up).
Be interesting to see what it takes to get Gio. I have a bad feeling the Jays will have to overpay to get him here.
Positives:
-Only 26.
-Controllable contract through 2015.
-High strikeout rate.
Negatives:
-High walk rate.
-ERA is one run weaker on the road, worrisome considering Oakland is a pitcher friendly park.
-It is going to cost us a top prospect...they were asking for D'Arnaud(rumoured)... Most people seem to think it will cost us a top five prospect and another decent one.
-From what I am told he struggled with AL East teams.
It is one thing we got Gio and his home/road statistics were similar. I think if we do trade hopefully we are paying a price with the pitcher friendly park in mind.
Positives:
-Only 26.
-Controllable contract through 2015.
-High strikeout rate.
Negatives:
-High walk rate.
-ERA is one run weaker on the road, worrisome considering Oakland is a pitcher friendly park.
-It is going to cost us a top prospect...they were asking for D'Arnaud(rumoured)... Most people seem to think it will cost us a top five prospect and another decent one.
-From what I am told he struggled with AL East teams.
It is one thing we got Gio and his home/road statistics were similar. I think if we do trade hopefully we are paying a price with the pitcher friendly park in mind.
bustaheims
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I think, as usual, those on the outside of the negotiations who are working the rumour beat are over-estimating the return that a player like Gonzalez would bring in. If a trade goes down, it's going to more along the lines of Snider, Cecil and maybe someone like McGuire (though, probably someone less highly regarded). D'Arnaud will not be involved.
Andy007
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Trolloc said:
I guess that depends on what Gio can do in the East. The problem really is sample size. He only pitched about 10-11 innings against Bos/Ny last year. Any numbers, whether they are good or bad, are tough to analyze at such a small scale.
Any potential deal will probably include Snider. It's a shame because he has so much talent and I still believe he can be a big part of the team's future (provided they don't keep messing with his swing).
Andy007
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Busta Reims said:
For a 26 yr old LH pitcher that has thrown almost 200 innings in consecutive seasons with a low 3 era?
I think a pitching prospect of a higer calibre than McGuire will be definitely be involved, to say nothing of the extra pieces that have to be included.
bustaheims
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Andy007 said:
In what is probably the most pitcher friendly park outside of San Diego . . . that, combined with his high walk rate (he led all of MLB is BB this past season), a WHIP over 1.30 and his unfavourable home/road splits make his value lower than what people are making it out to be.
bustaheims
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Andy007 said:
Pre-Moneyball, maybe, but not anymore. Too many GMs are well versed in advanced stats these days. 200+ innings doesn't mean all that much anymore - I mean, it's nice that he's durable and all, but, 46 guys threw 195+ innings last season, including such luminaries as Bronson Arroyo, R.A. Dickey and Ryan Dempster. The BA against is massively influenced by stadium factors - it was 22 points higher on the road than at home, and the K rate, while nice, doesn't mean all that much when he's also leading the league in walks. Fans might be expecting an ace type haul, but, Gonzalez is a #2/#3 guy, and that's the type of return the A's will get for him.
bustaheims
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Andy007 said:
Oakland is going through a massive rebuild, have budgetary issues, possibly moving to San Jose etc, and Gonzalez is a Super 2 who is in line for a massive raise. Like most of Oakland's moves, this one is financially motivated.
Andy007
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Busta Reims said:
Hmm well when are they NOT in rebuild mode. That's the 1st I've heard of a potential SJ move though. I still think that in a market where Wilson gets 75 million and Dana Eveland has trade value there is going to be huge, unwarranted rewards for above average pitching.
Andy007
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Saint Nik said:
Actually that is a very good point, I completely forgot about the Cahill trade.
So what do Jay fans think about acquring Gonzalez? Even if it's only for the return of a #2/3 is he worth it? Does the fact he amassed a ton of his numbers pitching against Seattle and in a pitcher friendly park deter one against his acquisition?
maplesyrup
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L K said:
... and apparently Johnson from time-to-time (still trying to make sense of that comment) making it kinda 6 point something...
Kin
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Andy007 said:
It wouldn't be a terrible pick-up depending on the price but I think his value is hard to judge right now. His FIP has been ok of late and the disparity between it and his better traditional stats is probably a good indication that Oakland's got a terrific defense and play in a big park.
Kin
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Erndog said:
Sure. Gold Glove voting is done by managers and coaches with the caveat that those managers and coaches aren't allowed to vote for their own players. The problem that comes up is that it's not like these Managers go home and watch other teams play so they're really only super-familiar with their own players, getting to see other players play, at most, 18 times a year. Because defensive metrics aren't as solid or accepted as offensive ones, that means that a lot of managers/coaches vote on the basis of defensive reputation as opposed to any measurable defensive performance(which is why a guy like Derek Jeter, who gets killed by just about any advanced defensive stat, wins the award). Palmerio, who had a good defensive reputation, won because the voters didn't really bother to check the facts. It was really just the most egregious example of an award that is pretty hit and miss.