2013-2014 NHL Thread

[Palmateer29]

I find it hard to believe that the d-man who skates over looks like he is trying to politely ask Emery to stop beating on the goalie....sorry that is where you take a third-man in penalty and take him to the ice if necessary.

I'm sure Holtby would have appreciated the assistance. 

 

[maplesyrup]

Maybe I'm a neanderthal but I think there's a place in hockey for fighting but with that said, I think it's gotten way out of control. I'd much rather see fighting banned than this circus stuff. What do you guys think has changed over the last 10/12 (or more) years that's made it get to this point? 

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

anyone else looking forward to seeing Cherry defend this tonight on coach's corner?

 

[nutman]

Maybe I'm a neanderthal but I think there's a place in hockey for fighting but with that said, I think it's gotten way out of control. I'd much rather see fighting banned than this circus stuff. What do you guys think has changed over the last 10/12 (or more) years that's made it get to this point?

I believe that the players coming in are not aware of the unwritten code of the game. Where it was lost who knows, but maybe just maybe if they were reminded it would stop.

 

[maplesyrup]

I believe that the players coming in are not aware of the unwritten code of the game. Where it was lost who knows, but maybe just maybe if they were reminded it would stop.

Unwritten code? I'm not sure that exists. 

 

[nutman]

I believe that the players coming in are not aware of the unwritten code of the game. Where it was lost who knows, but maybe just maybe if they were reminded it would stop.

Unwritten code? I'm not sure that exists.

See what I mean. I have been watching the game from the late 60's and I am aware of it. use the net Doc... Look it up.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Kin]

Maybe I'm a neanderthal but I think there's a place in hockey for fighting but with that said, I think it's gotten way out of control. I'd much rather see fighting banned than this circus stuff. What do you guys think has changed over the last 10/12 (or more) years that's made it get to this point?

I think you're talking about two separate things. There's the staged fighting problem, which really grew out of the thing in the 80's and 90's where fighters got famous and really well paid and hyped by dopes like Cherry, and then there's the more general discipline problem which I think can be pretty easily explained by the league never really taking the issue of suspending players seriously. It seems pretty self-evident that if the consequences for this stupidity are light, it doesn't discourage future examples of it.

 

[pmrules]

As stupid as emery is, I'm trying to find a suspendable act.

Jumping an unwilling combatant is not a suspension, we saw that in the pre season. Winning a fight so one sided is also not suspendable.

I guess the only question is....was this a fight. 
This was not a staged fight. This was a result of emotions of the game where one guy was trying to do something for his struggling team.  For it to be a fight,  There must be two willing combatants, and that clearly was not the case. Holtby did try to throw punches to defend himself but they didn't land and it was all downhill from there for him.

Can they suspend him for being an idiot?

 

[pmrules]

Maybe I'm a neanderthal but I think there's a place in hockey for fighting but with that said, I think it's gotten way out of control. I'd much rather see fighting banned than this circus stuff. What do you guys think has changed over the last 10/12 (or more) years that's made it get to this point?

I think you're talking about two separate things. There's the staged fighting problem, which really grew out of the thing in the 80's and 90's where fighters got famous and really well paid and hyped by dopes like Cherry, and then there's the more general discipline problem which I think can be pretty easily explained by the league never really taking the issue of suspending players seriously. It seems pretty self-evident that if the consequences for this stupidity are light, it doesn't discourage future examples of it.

But the circus stuff has been going on for decades. In fact I would say the truly ridiculous stuff, like bench clearing brawls, are virtually non existent today.

Hextall vs vs chelios....detroit vs avs....that's all circus stuff that existed pre-10 years ago.

 

[maplesyrup]

Maybe I'm a neanderthal but I think there's a place in hockey for fighting but with that said, I think it's gotten way out of control. I'd much rather see fighting banned than this circus stuff. What do you guys think has changed over the last 10/12 (or more) years that's made it get to this point?

I think you're talking about two separate things. There's the staged fighting problem, which really grew out of the thing in the 80's and 90's where fighters got famous and really well paid and hyped by dopes like Cherry, and then there's the more general discipline problem which I think can be pretty easily explained by the league never really taking the issue of suspending players seriously. It seems pretty self-evident that if the consequences for this stupidity are light, it doesn't discourage future examples of it.

But the circus stuff has been going on for decades. In fact I would say the truly ridiculous stuff, like bench clearing brawls, are virtually non existent today.

Hextall vs vs chelios....detroit vs avs....that's all circus stuff that existed pre-10 years ago.

True enough. It's just a bigger issue now - as it should be.

 

[Kin]

But the circus stuff has been going on for decades. In fact I would say the truly ridiculous stuff, like bench clearing brawls, are virtually non existent today.

Well, but I think what you're referring to there is a 3rd thing that's separate from what I'm talking about. If five guys, or heck 20 guys, all square off against each other and fight it's stupid and it detracts from the game but if it comes out of an honest place it's not the same thing as two guys fighting for no reason or purpose or what I'm referring to which is the lack of regard for a fellow player's safety, both of which I think we saw with the Emery thing.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The refs/linesmen should also be ashamed for letting that "fight" happen.

 

[bustaheims]

See what I mean. I have been watching the game from the late 60's and I am aware of it. use the net Doc... Look it up.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

There's a reason it's called the "unwritten code" - it's not a uniform policy and, really, it doesn't exist. This same crap happened frequently in the 70s, 80s and 90s, the difference was that the league and its fans were less concerned about things like concussions as we are now. No one really bothered thinking about the long-term health risks of fighting until after the league started employing real goons and saw them having cognitive issues as a result of being punched in the head too many times. Serious research into the long-term effects of concussions is a fairly recent thing. It's not that these incidents are becoming more frequent at all. In fact, I'd say they're becoming less frequent, and that's why they stand out so much and result in so much discussion. On top of that, from what I can tell from frequenting places like this, HFBoards, etc, is that hockey fans are trending away from supporting fighting. More and more of us are realizing that A) it doesn't actually contribute to the game of hockey, B) it's a seriously dangerous thing for the players to be involved in and C) it's diluting the talent level around the league.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

doesn't look like any subsequent discipline for emery

 

[Bullfrog]

I believe that the players coming in are not aware of the unwritten code of the game. Where it was lost who knows, but maybe just maybe if they were reminded it would stop.

Unwritten code? I'm not sure that exists.

See what I mean. I have been watching the game from the late 60's and I am aware of it. use the net Doc... Look it up.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Have you considered that perhaps this code has changed over the years and is no longer completely relevant in today's game?

 

[bustaheims]

doesn't look like any subsequent discipline for emery

That's disappointing. You'd think the league would at least want to send the message that charging all that way down the ice to start a fight with an unwilling opponent for no apparent reason and, in doing so, causing a line brawl is something they're against.

 

[nutman]

I believe that the players coming in are not aware of the unwritten code of the game. Where it was lost who knows, but maybe just maybe if they were reminded it would stop.

Unwritten code? I'm not sure that exists.

See what I mean. I have been watching the game from the late 60's and I am aware of it. use the net Doc... Look it up.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Have you considered that perhaps this code has changed over the years and is no longer completely relevant in today's game?

Its an unwritten code that has been there as long as the game. It is a respect thing, and if the respect has gone out of the game then the game starts to lose its appeal. players know things like you don't send a goon after a star player. and you don't jump a guy and keep hitting him if he does not want to be part of it. In todays world the lack of respect  sucks.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

DOPS won't look at the Emery fight. Open season folks. If Orr doesn't go out and just absolutely pummel one of the Sedins off the opening draw I'll be mad.

 

[bustaheims]

billmeltzer: Two defensive lineup changes for the Flyers tonight. Gustafsson and Luke Schenn healthy scratches. Meszaros and Gill will start.

JvR for Schenn. LOL.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

billmeltzer: Two defensive lineup changes for the Flyers tonight. Gustafsson and Luke Schenn healthy scratches. Meszaros and Gill will start.

JvR for Schenn. LOL.

And it's Schenn's birthday today.