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2013 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

TML fan said:
If they hadn't made the error, they wouldn't have needed to overcome it.
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Regardless, they still would have needed to score more than one run to win the game. Allowing that run didn't cost them the game, it just cost them an opportunity to win the game by scoring another run which they couldn't do.

All teams make errors. Teams who are missing their regular infielders will at a greater rate. Considering the circumstances, early in the ballgame and with nobody else on base, the error was made in one of the best situations to make an error. It wasn't an error at a crucial time or situation.
 
Nik the Trik said:
cabber24 said:
Nik the Trik said:
pmrules said:
well...San Fran would have only scored 1 run as well if we had a team that could field and throw routine ground balls.
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They had 7 innings after that error to score a run and three of their regular 4 infielders are injured/out of position.
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Bottom line is they found a way to loose again! They lost, they lost, they lost. Who cares how.
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Whether it matters to you is up to you. Still, if we're going to talk about why they lost we might as well get it right.
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Well....anyone can figure out that when you only score 1 run that offense is a problem.  But to ignore the defensive lapses they had is ignoring a pretty big problem with this team....out of position or not.  Defense has cost this team some games....as has the pitching....as has the offense. 

Encouraging though is back to back great pitching performances by JJ and RAD.  Fingers crossed....
 
L K said:
Dickey struggled a bit in the final two innings but that was by far his best start as a Jay. 

8.1 IP 2 hits 2 walks 5 strikeouts

The Giants couldn't touch him this afternoon
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That and he hit a double that generated the offense needed to win.  Maybe he should pinch hit sometimes!

Also, why Mark DeRosa isn't the full time 2B based on his bat and his defense is beyond me.
 
pmrules said:
Well....anyone can figure out that when you only score 1 run that offense is a problem.  But to ignore the defensive lapses they had is ignoring a pretty big problem with this team....out of position or not.
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Well, it's a problem with the team as they exist currently, I suppose(they do well by some defensive metrics, not well by others) but any team in the world is going to struggle defensively if they're playing without the starting left side of their infield. The way for the Blue Jays to get better defensively is to get Lawire/Reyes back.

I mean, let's not forget, the only reason the Jays had EE at 3rd and Lind at 1st yesterday is because they were in a NL park and couldn't use a DH. That makes their defense problematic but it's not like EE's defensive ability at third base is a genuine concern for the team going forward because he won't be playing third base 95% of the time.
 
Corn Flake said:
L K said:
Dickey struggled a bit in the final two innings but that was by far his best start as a Jay. 

8.1 IP 2 hits 2 walks 5 strikeouts

The Giants couldn't touch him this afternoon
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Also, why Mark DeRosa isn't the full time 2B based on his bat and his defense is beyond me.
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He can only hit lefties. When utilized as a platoon bat starting against LHP, his value is maximized. Kinda like Rajai Davis. Making either of those guys starters will drastically limit their effectiveness.
 
The Jays took high school pitcher Phil Bickford with the 10th pick in the draft. Apparently he can hit 96-97 with the fastball so, there's that.

 
Nik the Trik said:
The Jays took high school pitcher Phil Bickford with the 10th pick in the draft. Apparently he can hit 96-97 with the fastball so, there's that.
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With all the pitching prospects they've traded away in the past year, taking a high upside arm in the 1st isn't a huge surprise.
 
The nice thing about him is that he's a guy who has gotten a lot better over the past year so if he continues to develop he could be really good 4-5 years down the road.  At the same time, he's a guy who throws hard so I think he automatically gets rated higher regardless of how good he will be.  He doesn't appear to have any breaking pitches though so his fastball will eventually be eaten up if that doesn't develop.
 
L K said:
The nice thing about him is that he's a guy who has gotten a lot better over the past year so if he continues to develop he could be really good 4-5 years down the road.  At the same time, he's a guy who throws hard so I think he automatically gets rated higher regardless of how good he will be.  He doesn't appear to have any breaking pitches though so his fastball will eventually be eaten up if that doesn't develop.
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His control on that fastball is apparently incredible, so, if he can't develop the secondary stuff, he could very well turn into a lights out closer type.
 
Wang hasn't posted an ERA below 4.00 since 2007. I'm...hopeful for him?

This is what happens when Morrow, Happ, and Ortiz get injured.

Something to watch out for:

McGowan's prescribed 30 day minor league rehab stint ends on June 12.
 
KoHo said:
Wang hasn't posted an ERA below 4.00 since 2007. I'm...hopeful for him?
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Not that it necessarily indicates much, but Wang's minor numbers this year are excellent, and he hasn't really been a healthy, full time big leaguer since 2007 either.
 
bustaheims said:
KoHo said:
Wang hasn't posted an ERA below 4.00 since 2007. I'm...hopeful for him?
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Not that it necessarily indicates much, but Wang's minor numbers this year are excellent, and he hasn't really been a healthy, full time big leaguer since 2007 either.
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Besides, Wang was basically a 4 to near 4 era pitcher to begin with. Just another filler arm; hopefully he can, at the very least, give them some innings.
 
Potvin29 said:
I read on Twitter that Wang can't strike guys out like he used to, but has had excellent command.
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Well, that's not terrible, considering that he was never able to strike anyone out to begin with.
 
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