2015 NHL Entry Draft

[CarltonTheBear]

Edmonton's got three picks in the top 35, so I'd focus on getting on of their other picks. Not sure what we could offer of interest without overpaying.

Lupul's from Edmonton. Things obviously didn't work out the first time they traded for him but he's a more mature player now. Although I'm not sure he'd waive to go there, even with his roots. He might be enough to get their 2nd rounder if he would.

 

[Al14]

Edmonton's got three picks in the top 35, so I'd focus on getting on of their other picks. Not sure what we could offer of interest without overpaying.

Lupul's from Edmonton. Things obviously didn't work out the first time they traded for him but he's a more mature player now. Although I'm not sure he'd waive to go there, even with his roots. He might be enough to get their 2nd rounder if he would.

At this point, I'd let Edmonton have Lupul for their 3rd rounder.  He's been too much of a liability the last few games!

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Edmonton's got three picks in the top 35, so I'd focus on getting on of their other picks. Not sure what we could offer of interest without overpaying.

Lupul's from Edmonton. Things obviously didn't work out the first time they traded for him but he's a more mature player now. Although I'm not sure he'd waive to go there, even with his roots. He might be enough to get their 2nd rounder if he would.

At this point, I'd let Edmonton have Lupul for their 3rd rounder.  He's been too much of a liability the last few games seasons!

Fixed!  I like Lupul as a player, but he is injured way too often.  If he can stay healthy he can put up 20+ goals in a season, but I would take that third just to get the contract off the books and while he still has some value.

 

[Al14]

Edmonton's got three picks in the top 35, so I'd focus on getting on of their other picks. Not sure what we could offer of interest without overpaying.

Lupul's from Edmonton. Things obviously didn't work out the first time they traded for him but he's a more mature player now. Although I'm not sure he'd waive to go there, even with his roots. He might be enough to get their 2nd rounder if he would.

At this point, I'd let Edmonton have Lupul for their 3rd rounder.  He's been too much of a liability the last few games seasons!

Fixed!  I like Lupul as a player, but he is injured way too often.  If he can stay healthy he can put up 20+ goals in a season, but I would take that third just to get the contract off the books and while he still has some value.

Touch?!!!  8)

His injury history really diminishes his value IMHO.  I think the best we could have done, was a trade at the deadline to a team willing to take a chance on him staying healthy for their playoff run.  I was disappointed he wasn't traded March 2nd!

 

[Chris]

His performance since the deadline hasn't really done anything to enhance his value. Think it's going to be tough to get anything substantial for him this summer. Might be best to hope he stays relatively healthy next season and try to trade him at the deadline.

 

[Al14]

His performance since the deadline hasn't really done anything to enhance his value. Think it's going to be tough to get anything substantial for him this summer. Might be best to hope he stays relatively healthy next season and try to trade him at the deadline.

Yeah, another year older, another year turning more brittle!  :'(

 

[Bullfrog]

Edmonton's got three picks in the top 35, so I'd focus on getting on of their other picks. Not sure what we could offer of interest without overpaying.

Lupul's from Edmonton. Things obviously didn't work out the first time they traded for him but he's a more mature player now. Although I'm not sure he'd waive to go there, even with his roots. He might be enough to get their 2nd rounder if he would.

Might be a tough sell for both Edm and Lupul, but I'd go for that. The 2nd rounder will be around 31 or-32 overall. I actually see little benefit for Edmonton.

They'd be more interested in something like Gardiner, which is why I suggested it'd probably have to be an over-payment.

 

[Corn Flake]

Edmonton's got three picks in the top 35, so I'd focus on getting on of their other picks. Not sure what we could offer of interest without overpaying.

Lupul's from Edmonton. Things obviously didn't work out the first time they traded for him but he's a more mature player now. Although I'm not sure he'd waive to go there, even with his roots. He might be enough to get their 2nd rounder if he would.

Might be a tough sell for both Edm and Lupul, but I'd go for that. The 2nd rounder will be around 31 or-32 overall. I actually see little benefit for Edmonton.

They'd be more interested in something like Gardiner, which is why I suggested it'd probably have to be an over-payment.

Might be able to get the Penguins pick from Edm in a Gardiner trade.

 

[Al14]

Edmonton's got three picks in the top 35, so I'd focus on getting on of their other picks. Not sure what we could offer of interest without overpaying.

Lupul's from Edmonton. Things obviously didn't work out the first time they traded for him but he's a more mature player now. Although I'm not sure he'd waive to go there, even with his roots. He might be enough to get their 2nd rounder if he would.

Might be a tough sell for both Edm and Lupul, but I'd go for that. The 2nd rounder will be around 31 or-32 overall. I actually see little benefit for Edmonton.

They'd be more interested in something like Gardiner, which is why I suggested it'd probably have to be an over-payment.

Might be able to get the Penguins pick from Edm in a Gardiner trade.

I think Gardiner would be better used in a package to get rid of Kessel or Phaneuf.  I don't want to retain any salary on either, so, maybe we give a little more to avoid it, especially for Phaneuf.

 

[L K]

Edmonton's got three picks in the top 35, so I'd focus on getting on of their other picks. Not sure what we could offer of interest without overpaying.

Lupul's from Edmonton. Things obviously didn't work out the first time they traded for him but he's a more mature player now. Although I'm not sure he'd waive to go there, even with his roots. He might be enough to get their 2nd rounder if he would.

Might be a tough sell for both Edm and Lupul, but I'd go for that. The 2nd rounder will be around 31 or-32 overall. I actually see little benefit for Edmonton.

They'd be more interested in something like Gardiner, which is why I suggested it'd probably have to be an over-payment.

Might be able to get the Penguins pick from Edm in a Gardiner trade.

I think Gardiner would be better used in a package to get rid of Kessel or Phaneuf.  I don't want to retain any salary on either, so, maybe we give a little more to avoid it, especially for Phaneuf.

Gardiner doesn't have negative value but throwing Gardiner's 4 million on top of Kessel/Phaneuf is going to be a hard sell and certainly not something that is going to encourage a team to not ask for salary retention.  Part of the salary retention is obviously to try and make the cost more cap friendly, but it's also because a lot of the teams that would likely want Kessel will already have some pretty expensive core pieces of the own and adding 13-14 million in cap space is never easy to take on.  Especially in a trade with a rebuilding team that should ideally be looking for picks, prospects and ELC type players in return.

 

[Al14]

Edmonton's got three picks in the top 35, so I'd focus on getting on of their other picks. Not sure what we could offer of interest without overpaying.

Lupul's from Edmonton. Things obviously didn't work out the first time they traded for him but he's a more mature player now. Although I'm not sure he'd waive to go there, even with his roots. He might be enough to get their 2nd rounder if he would.

Might be a tough sell for both Edm and Lupul, but I'd go for that. The 2nd rounder will be around 31 or-32 overall. I actually see little benefit for Edmonton.

They'd be more interested in something like Gardiner, which is why I suggested it'd probably have to be an over-payment.

Might be able to get the Penguins pick from Edm in a Gardiner trade.

I think Gardiner would be better used in a package to get rid of Kessel or Phaneuf.  I don't want to retain any salary on either, so, maybe we give a little more to avoid it, especially for Phaneuf.

Gardiner doesn't have negative value but throwing Gardiner's 4 million on top of Kessel/Phaneuf is going to be a hard sell and certainly not something that is going to encourage a team to not ask for salary retention.  Part of the salary retention is obviously to try and make the cost more cap friendly, but it's also because a lot of the teams that would likely want Kessel will already have some pretty expensive core pieces of the own and adding 13-14 million in cap space is never easy to take on.  Especially in a trade with a rebuilding team that should ideally be looking for picks, prospects and ELC type players in return.

I should have added that I would also prefer to take on cap dump contracts in return to make the numbers work.

I think we need to move on from Kessel and Phaneuf, including their salaries! 

 

[pmrules]

The more I read about Marner, the more I want him on this team.  I've never seen him or seen him play.

Obviously the concern is his size, and not speed/skill/defense.  I think the risk of Marner is compounded by the fact that the core of the future does not have above average size either. Any concerns with drafting Marner with smaller'ish core players Kadri, Reilly, and Nylander already in the fold? 

And is Marner really 5' 11" or is he really shorter/taller than that? 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

And is Marner really 5' 11" or is he really shorter/taller than that? 

Most people seem pretty comfortable with the 5' 11'' number. I haven't heard anybody really dispute it. I read an article from April 2013 (about 2 years ago) that said he was 5' 7'', 130lbs. So he's of course grown quite a bit since getting into the OHL. Might even be a bit more room to go.

 

[pmrules]

And is Marner really 5' 11" or is he really shorter/taller than that? 

Most people seem pretty comfortable with the 5' 11'' number. I haven't heard anybody really dispute it. I read an article from April 2013 (about 2 years ago) that said he was 5' 7'', 130lbs. So he's of course grown quite a bit since getting into the OHL. Might even be a bit more room to go.

Hmm..Thanks.

The website I saw actually lists Marner as heavier than Strome, even though Strome has 3 inches on him.

If it came down to the 2 of them (i.e. Leafs are 4th and the top 3 are gone)...who would you prefer?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I maintain that Marner reminds me of Giroux - although I guess Marner hasn't been playing C predominantly?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The website I saw actually lists Marner as heavier than Strome, even though Strome has 3 inches on him.

Which one was that? I usually see Strome in the 185-190lbs range, Marner around 165-170lbs.

If it came down to the 2 of them (i.e. Leafs are 4th and the top 3 are gone)...who would you prefer?

My head says Marner, heart says Strome. Marner might have the higher offensive upside, but it seems like in this day and age every good team needs a big, talented centre. We might not get a chance to acquire/draft another guy like Strome, whereas we already have a guy like Marner in Nylander.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

And is Marner really 5' 11" or is he really shorter/taller than that? 

Most people seem pretty comfortable with the 5' 11'' number. I haven't heard anybody really dispute it. I read an article from April 2013 (about 2 years ago) that said he was 5' 7'', 130lbs. So he's of course grown quite a bit since getting into the OHL. Might even be a bit more room to go.

Marner hasn't yet turned 18, so he could still gain another inch or two.  It's kind of a crap shoot at that age, though.

 

[Bender]

The website I saw actually lists Marner as heavier than Strome, even though Strome has 3 inches on him.

Which one was that? I usually see Strome in the 185-190lbs range, Marner around 165-170lbs.

If it came down to the 2 of them (i.e. Leafs are 4th and the top 3 are gone)...who would you prefer?

My head says Marner, heart says Strome. Marner might have the higher offensive upside, but it seems like in this day and age every good team needs a big, talented centre. We might not get a chance to acquire/draft another guy like Strome, whereas we already have a guy like Marner in Nylander.

At the same time: Joe Pavelski, Claude Giroux, Tyler Johnson, Jiri Hudler, Pavel Datsyuk among others that aren't tall but are very effective.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The website I saw actually lists Marner as heavier than Strome, even though Strome has 3 inches on him.

Which one was that? I usually see Strome in the 185-190lbs range, Marner around 165-170lbs.

If it came down to the 2 of them (i.e. Leafs are 4th and the top 3 are gone)...who would you prefer?

My head says Marner, heart says Strome. Marner might have the higher offensive upside, but it seems like in this day and age every good team needs a big, talented centre. We might not get a chance to acquire/draft another guy like Strome, whereas we already have a guy like Marner in Nylander.

At the same time: Joe Pavelski, Claude Giroux, Tyler Johnson, Jiri Hudler, Pavel Datsyuk among others that aren't tall but are very effective.

That depends on if Marner projects as a C or W.

 

[L K]

The website I saw actually lists Marner as heavier than Strome, even though Strome has 3 inches on him.

Which one was that? I usually see Strome in the 185-190lbs range, Marner around 165-170lbs.

If it came down to the 2 of them (i.e. Leafs are 4th and the top 3 are gone)...who would you prefer?

My head says Marner, heart says Strome. Marner might have the higher offensive upside, but it seems like in this day and age every good team needs a big, talented centre. We might not get a chance to acquire/draft another guy like Strome, whereas we already have a guy like Marner in Nylander.

At the same time: Joe Pavelski, Claude Giroux, Tyler Johnson, Jiri Hudler, Pavel Datsyuk among others that aren't tall but are very effective.

That depends on if Marner projects as a C or W.

I see him more as a winger to be honest.  I feel like too many teams will see his size and figure he's better off on the wing.  That's again why I think some of the comparisons to Kane aren't bad.