2017-2018 NHL Thread

[Kin]

I think you're kidding yourself if you think an award for the best player wouldn't then be subject to as much discussion of the definition of best as a MVP is for valuable.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think that there's a solid chance that McDavid wins the Lindsay award this season while not being a Hart finalist.

 

[Kin]

This would be the most appealing aspect of the proposal to me. It's always felt weird that a D can get injured on his very 1st shift and a team has to play with 5 defencemen for the rest of the game. This also probably prevents some players from playing injured knowing that they aren't burdening the rest of their team by leaving the game.

I suppose one thing to be concerned about would be a team taking a lead into the third and dressing 8 defensemen in an attempt to shut things down/always have some fresh legs out there in a league where the counter-point(Well, the attacking team will just dress 14 forwards) always fails because of how much easier it is to prevent goals than score them.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I suppose one thing to be concerned about would be a team taking a lead into the third and dressing 8 defensemen in an attempt to shut things down/always have some fresh legs out there in a league where the counter-point(Well, the attacking team will just dress 14 forwards) always fails because of how much easier it is to prevent goals than score them.

I think the trailing team would actually be pretty happy with that. They'd be going up against the other team's 7/8 defencemen while also playing against a more tired forward group.

 

[herman]

Counter-point to my own point on ejections... will coaches be more likely to send certain players out there to take out a higher value target? Or will the scheme prevent much of that element from coming into the game?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think you're kidding yourself if you think an award for the best player wouldn't then be subject to as much discussion of the definition of best as a MVP is for valuable.

But that award already exists!

 

[Kin]

I think the trailing team would actually be pretty happy with that. They'd be going up against the other team's 7/8 defencemen while also playing against a more tired forward group.

I don't think the bottom pairing guys would have to play much for the top pairing guys to be a lot more refreshed during their ice time so I do doubt that it would be a good trade-off. I never doubt NHL coaches and their capacity to kill entertaining hockey.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Counter-point to my own point on ejections... will coaches be more likely to send certain players out there to take out a higher value target? Or will the scheme prevent much of that element from coming into the game?

I think that if a player was ejected from the game you wouldn't be able to replace him. It wouldn't really fall under this rule.

 

[Kin]

I think you're kidding yourself if you think an award for the best player wouldn't then be subject to as much discussion of the definition of best as a MVP is for valuable.

But that award already exists!

That award only exists in the sense that A) Nobody really cares too much about the Lindsay and B) as a result people sort of agreed that "most outstanding" just means best.

Again, I get what you're saying, I'm just saying that the issue here is people have decided to wholly make up their own definition of "valuable" and that could apply to any wording for any award.

 

[herman]

Counter-point to my own point on ejections... will coaches be more likely to send certain players out there to take out a higher value target? Or will the scheme prevent much of that element from coming into the game?

I think that if a player was ejected from the game you wouldn't be able to replace him. It wouldn't really fall under this rule.

Ah more like red card.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Counter-point to my own point on ejections... will coaches be more likely to send certain players out there to take out a higher value target? Or will the scheme prevent much of that element from coming into the game?

I think that if a player was ejected from the game you wouldn't be able to replace him. It wouldn't really fall under this rule.

Ah more like red card.

I don't follow kickball, but sure.

 

[Frank E]

Counter-point to my own point on ejections... will coaches be more likely to send certain players out there to take out a higher value target? Or will the scheme prevent much of that element from coming into the game?

I think that if a player was ejected from the game you wouldn't be able to replace him. It wouldn't really fall under this rule.

Ah more like red card.

I don't follow kickball, but sure.

I don't think so...a red card means you're down a player the rest of the game.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I don't think the bottom pairing guys would have to play much for the top pairing guys to be a lot more refreshed during their ice time so I do doubt that it would be a good trade-off. I never doubt NHL coaches and their capacity to kill entertaining hockey.

I definitely don't disagree with your last sentence but I just can't see a team like LA for instance ever thinking they'd play Paul Ladue and Kevin Gravel (not made up names BTW) for a few shifts in the 3rd period of a game where they're protecting a lead so Doughty could be a little more refreshed.

 

[Frank E]

I can see a potential issue of teams "benching" their Matthews for the third if they're up by a couple.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I can see a potential issue of teams "benching" their Matthews for the third if they're up by a couple.

How many 3rd periods leads did the Leafs blow last year?

 

[Kin]

I definitely don't disagree with your last sentence but I just can't see a team like LA for instance ever thinking they'd play Paul Ladue and Kevin Gravel (not made up names BTW) for a few shifts in the 3rd period of a game where they're protecting a lead so Doughty could be a little more refreshed.

I can. If you're up by 2 or 3 you can give your lesser players some time so that if a goal does get scored your better players fresher ice when the outcome of the game might legitimately be in doubt. I mean, that's pretty much what happens in every single NBA game.

 

[herman]

I don't think so...a red card means you're down a player the rest of the game.

Okay, not exactly like the red card, but unreplacable-ejections would be like red card in that your roster is down a slot, but not like red card in that teams still play 5v5 after the initial ejection penalty expires (a la current game misconducts).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Okay, not exactly like the red card, but unreplacable-ejections would be like red card in that your roster is down a slot, but not like red card in that teams still play 5v5 after the initial ejection penalty expires (a la current game misconducts).

Right. Anybody serving a penalty, whether it was a 2-minute minor or a 5-minute major or a game misconduct, wouldn't be eligible to be replaced until that penalty was over. And in the case of a game misconduct it of course wouldn't end until the game does.

 

[bustaheims]

I think that there's a solid chance that McDavid wins the Lindsay award this season while not being a Hart finalist.

I'd be quite surprised if McDavid doesn't end up top 3 for the Hart. I think he probably comes in 2 or 3 on most ballots if he ends up winning the Art Ross.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think that there's a solid chance that McDavid wins the Lindsay award this season while not being a Hart finalist.

I'd be quite surprised if McDavid doesn't end up top 3 for the Hart. I think he probably comes in 2 or 3 on most ballots if he ends up winning the Art Ross.

We'll see. I'm expecting him to finish 4th or 5th. Maybe with the ballots being public this year less people will have dumb votes.