2018-2019 NHL Thread

[dappleganger]

Why would the team spread rumours about him wanting out. Would that, if anything, not lower his value if other teams view Montreal having to trade him because he's unhappy?

I'm only basing this on every single piece of available evidence we have but...maybe they're not very good at their jobs?

This right here is a very good point.

I can only guess that Montreal is offering him up in trades and that is how it's being leaked that Montreal wants rid of him.

It wouldn't make sense for Montreal to spread that themselves. Besides, everyone knows Montreal had a deal with LA that Max rejected. The writing is on the wall, but it does seem like Max wants to stay, or at least, prefers staying in Montreal than LA. An extension to his contract might have held up the LA trade too.

 

[Frank E]

Why would the team spread rumours about him wanting out. Would that, if anything, not lower his value if other teams view Montreal having to trade him because he's unhappy?

I'm only basing this on every single piece of available evidence we have but...maybe they're not very good at their jobs?

This right here is a very good point.

I can only guess that Montreal is offering him up in trades and that is how it's being leaked that Montreal wants rid of him.

It wouldn't make sense for Montreal to spread that themselves. Besides, everyone knows Montreal had a deal with LA that Max rejected. The writing is on the wall, but it does seem like Max wants to stay, or at least, prefers staying in Montreal than LA. An extension to his contract might have held up the LA trade too.

Follow the money...if Max is being especially difficult, in terms of $$ on a contract extension, with a team they're looking to make a deal with, then I can understand the habs trying to leak things that put pressure on Max to be more reasonable.

The habs wouldn't get as much of a return, at least theoretically at this point, if he's unwilling to sign an extension...hence, put the pressure on.

If he's a one year rental, I'm sure the return isn't as interesting to a rebuilding club like the habs.  He doesn't have an NTC, so far as I can tell, so I don't think he nixed any deal. 

I'm not trying to give the habs any credit, but I can understand the misguided thinking here, especially if they end up making him into a problem guy in the media and the return is even less.  Probably not a great strategy, but let's see how this plays out.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/emilymkaplan/status/1037442753012097024

This team is gonna be fun to observe this year.

 

[Kin]

Follow the money...if Max is being especially difficult, in terms of $$ on a contract extension, with a team they're looking to make a deal with, then I can understand the habs trying to leak things that put pressure on Max to be more reasonable.

The habs wouldn't get as much of a return, at least theoretically at this point, if he's unwilling to sign an extension...hence, put the pressure on.

If he's a one year rental, I'm sure the return isn't as interesting to a rebuilding club like the habs.  He doesn't have an NTC, so far as I can tell, so I don't think he nixed any deal. 

I'm not trying to give the habs any credit, but I can understand the misguided thinking here, especially if they end up making him into a problem guy in the media and the return is even less.  Probably not a great strategy, but let's see how this plays out.

None of that makes any sense. It fails both tactically and in any sense of fairness.

"Putting pressure" on Pacioretty to sign a long term deal he doesn't want to sign for the express purpose of getting the team he's going to to give up more in a trade than they otherwise would, and therefore weakening his future team, isn't likely to get him to move. It's probably more likely to get him to want to play out his walk year and hit free agency.

The Habs have no reasonable expectation of juicing Pacioretty's value by means of a long-term team friendly contract. Trying to publicly pressure their captain to do so seems far more likely to add to Montreal's current pretty dicey reputation for how they treat their players than it is to yield any actual results.

 

[Frank E]

Follow the money...if Max is being especially difficult, in terms of $$ on a contract extension, with a team they're looking to make a deal with, then I can understand the habs trying to leak things that put pressure on Max to be more reasonable.

The habs wouldn't get as much of a return, at least theoretically at this point, if he's unwilling to sign an extension...hence, put the pressure on.

If he's a one year rental, I'm sure the return isn't as interesting to a rebuilding club like the habs.  He doesn't have an NTC, so far as I can tell, so I don't think he nixed any deal. 

I'm not trying to give the habs any credit, but I can understand the misguided thinking here, especially if they end up making him into a problem guy in the media and the return is even less.  Probably not a great strategy, but let's see how this plays out.

None of that makes any sense. It fails both tactically and in any sense of fairness.

"Putting pressure" on Pacioretty to sign a long term deal he doesn't want to sign for the express purpose of getting the team he's going to to give up more in a trade than they otherwise would, and therefore weakening his future team, isn't likely to get him to move. It's probably more likely to get him to want to play out his walk year and hit free agency.

Why would the habs care about what Pacioretty's future team outlook is like?  We're talking about why the habs might look to pressure Pacioretty to accept a contract extension with a club that's looking to acquire him in order to maximize the return from the habs' perspective.  It sounds like Pacioretty didn't come to terms with LA, and therefore the deal was off from LA's perspective, given Max doesn't have an NTC...that was likely disappointing to the habs.

The Habs have no reasonable expectation of juicing Pacioretty's value by means of a long-term team friendly contract. Trying to publicly pressure their captain to do so seems far more likely to add to Montreal's current pretty dicey reputation for how they treat their players than it is to yield any actual results.

Well, I'm sure the habs would prefer a better return than a less-better one, and Pacioretty agreeing to a team-friendly contract at the other end of the deal would likely help get a better return.  But to respond to your second sentence here, I agree.

Remember, I'm just trying to argue a hypothetical position here, and that position is that the habs want Pacioretty gone now for the highest return possible...his or their short-term reputation be damned.  They can't get enough for him as a one-year rental, so they need him to agree to a contract extension with the receiving team in order to get the return they want.  This is NOT a position that I'm supporting, or even suggesting is real, but if we're going on the assumption that Montreal is leaking that Pacioretty wants out, why else would they be doing that other than to try and compel him to leave?

 

[Kin]

Why would the habs care about what Pacioretty's future team outlook is like?

I didn't say they would. I said it's not in Pacioretty's interests to help Montreal get the best possible return for him and that saying he wants out doesn't actually put pressure on him to leave. He can just say, as he did through his agent, that he doesn't want to leave.

This is NOT a position that I'm supporting, or even suggesting is real, but if we're going on the assumption that Montreal is leaking that Pacioretty wants out, why else would they be doing that other than to try and compel him to leave?

Well, there are two immediate things I can think of that make more sense than thinking that saying that Pacioretty wants to leave will somehow force his hand to sign a deal he doesn't like and hurt whatever team he'll be joining in the future.

A) They want media cover for why they don't want to engage in serious contract talks with him because they don't want to re-sign him. Which, you know, is what his agent just said.

and/or

B) They aren't very good at their jobs.

 

[Frank E]

Well, there are two immediate things I can think of that make more sense than thinking that saying that Pacioretty wants to leave will somehow force his hand to sign a deal he doesn't like and hurt whatever team he'll be joining in the future.

A) They want media cover for why they don't want to engage in serious contract talks with him because they don't want to re-sign him. Which, you know, is what his agent just said.

and/or

B) They aren't very good at their jobs.

A)  Right, they don't want to re-sign him, and they're actively trying to trade him. 
B)  Right, which is why I'm also arguing that their tactics here are a little screwy.

 

[Kin]

A)  Right, they don't want to re-sign him, and they're actively trying to trade him. 
B)  Right, which is why I'm also arguing that their tactics here are a little screwy.

None of which in any way reflects on what contracts Pacioretty is or isn't willing to sign. They're certainly free to trade him but Pacioretty not wanting to make a long term deal part of the package has nothing to do with him being reasonable or not. Regardless of what he may or may not be asking for he may just not want to sign a deal with whoever the Habs want to trade him to. If they want him to sign a long term deal with whoever they trade him to they should probably work with him to find a team he wants to go to and, you know, not antagonize him. 

What you're arguing isn't a little screwy, it's completely self-defeating. Compared to the overwhelming simplicity of just them not being very good at playing the media game(see, for instance, everything they did with Subban) I feel like this is one where Occam's Razor might be the way to go.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/theScoreNHL/status/1038616253487665152

"Controversial" lol, this league is so stupid.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/theScoreNHL/status/1038616253487665152

"Controversial" lol, this league is so stupid.

Do we have any more 'character' players we can trade to Lou for Ho-Sang to be Kadri's RW? McElhinney!?!?!?!

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/ByMHarrington/status/1039199769808265222

Classic Buffalo. Foolishly changing your foolish expectations of a rookie after 2 meaningless prospect games.

 

[Kin]

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

 

[Frank E]

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

Do we know if there are revenues going to the foundation or anything like that?

 

[Kin]

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

Do we know if there are revenues going to the foundation or anything like that?

Would it really matter? TSN could give money to them regardless. Short of that, it's broadcasting a game nobody would have any interest in were it not for a terrible tragedy.

 

[rdowdall]

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

Yep, feels wrong.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

https://twitter.com/Chasenpucks39/status/1039865118568394753

No pressure, kids.

 

[dappleganger]

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

My sentiments as well.

 

[herman]

27 game suspension for Austin Watson (Nashville) for domestic assault.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNHL/status/1040203689955340288

Unlocked/free-to-read story from the Athletic about Robin Lehner and his battle with depression/addiction that led to him taking time off last season to get treatment. I think everyone knew that he was always a little... off... but I wouldn't have guessed this. Awesome of him to open up and share this, and I'm glad that Lou/the Islanders took a chance on him this season.

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

My sentiments as well.

I agree but someone from the Broncos organization had to agree to allow it.