2018-2019 Toronto Marlies Thread: Hail to the Champions...and Onwards!

[Coco-puffs]

Wonder if it might be a good idea to try and sell high on Bracco.

Do you think his value is really that high?  I don't think organizations see guys who haven't proven it in the NHL as having much value, unless you are a 18/19/20 yr old with "star in the making" attached to you (ie Brannstrom).  Bracco is 22.  He has "tweener" written all over him (ie, he'll be too good for the AHL ala Seth Griffith, but may not be good enough for the NHL).  I don't think other organizations see him as much more than that, until he proves he can stick in the NHL.  I'm not sure you'd be selling high on him.

I want to see what happens this offseason in terms of cap-space etc.  Bracco might be able to fit on the 3rd line RW if Kappy/Johnsson/Brown etc have to be cap casualties. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Do you think his value is really that high?  I don't think organizations see guys who haven't proven it in the NHL as having much value, unless you are a 18/19/20 yr old with "star in the making" attached to you (ie Brannstrom).  Bracco is 22.  He has "tweener" written all over him (ie, he'll be too good for the AHL ala Seth Griffith, but may not be good enough for the NHL).  I don't think other organizations see him as much more than that, until he proves he can stick in the NHL.  I'm not sure you'd be selling high on him.

I want to see what happens this offseason in terms of cap-space etc.  Bracco might be able to fit on the 3rd line RW if Kappy/Johnsson/Brown etc have to be cap casualties.

Former 2nd round draft pick who is currently tied for 2nd in AHL scoring in his 21-year old season (just turned 22 yesterday). He could even take over the scoring lead very soon considering the tear he's one (granted, the current leader has 12 less games). That's pretty impressive. If the team offloads both Kapanen and Brown then sure I'd keep him, but if he's going to be behind Marner/Nylander/Kapanen long-term then his value to the team might be more as a trade chip to improve our D (or to convince someone to take Zaitsev).

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/torontomarlies/status/1107365995293741056
Would love to see the Leafs work this set up more often

 

[Highlander]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/03/18/toronto-leafs-musings-bracco-is-nhl-ready-sandins-in-brannstrom-territory-liljegrens-strong-stretch-and-playing-a-heavier-style/

Some more eyeball reports on Sandin and other Marlie standouts: Bracco & Liljegren.

There's still a lot to be excited about as the Leafs continue to shed veterans by attrition, and grow the young core into leadership roles.

I like Papetti's writing, has the ability to really explain where the players are at.

 

[Highlander]

Wonder if it might be a good idea to try and sell high on Bracco.

I have read the conflicting opinions about Bracco, Papetti is very high on him.  So let's pretend this scenario; Marner receives an offer sheet of 12 million, out of the Leafs budget.  You get what 4 first round picks for that kind of dosh.  Not saying Bracco is Mitch Marner but if he is even 80% of Mitch, then you have an option where it doesn't kill you to lose Mitch. Plus those 4 first round picks!

 

[Coco-puffs]

Do you think his value is really that high?  I don't think organizations see guys who haven't proven it in the NHL as having much value, unless you are a 18/19/20 yr old with "star in the making" attached to you (ie Brannstrom).  Bracco is 22.  He has "tweener" written all over him (ie, he'll be too good for the AHL ala Seth Griffith, but may not be good enough for the NHL).  I don't think other organizations see him as much more than that, until he proves he can stick in the NHL.  I'm not sure you'd be selling high on him.

I want to see what happens this offseason in terms of cap-space etc.  Bracco might be able to fit on the 3rd line RW if Kappy/Johnsson/Brown etc have to be cap casualties.

Former 2nd round draft pick who is currently tied for 2nd in AHL scoring in his 21-year old season (just turned 22 yesterday). He could even take over the scoring lead very soon considering the tear he's one (granted, the current leader has 12 less games). That's pretty impressive. If the team offloads both Kapanen and Brown then sure I'd keep him, but if he's going to be behind Marner/Nylander/Kapanen long-term then his value to the team might be more as a trade chip to improve our D (or to convince someone to take Zaitsev).

I agree that if we manage to keep all three of MNK then his value is more as a trade chip, even if his value is not significant enough to bring back what we need (Top 4 D).  But, from an asset allocation perspective, Kapanen has a higher trade value and will cost more against the cap next season.  If we can get return on him that helps out the D (directly or indirectly) and plug Bracco into his 3rd line RW spot I think we are doing well.  (or, if you prefer Kappy or Mango, try Kappy on the LW and move on from Mango)

 

[Highlander]

I can't find any info when Duzak and Rasanen may be given some ice time? 

 

[Bullfrog]

Wonder if it might be a good idea to try and sell high on Bracco.

I have read the conflicting opinions about Bracco, Papetti is very high on him.  So let's pretend this scenario; Marner receives an offer sheet of 12 million, out of the Leafs budget.  You get what 4 first round picks for that kind of dosh.  Not saying Bracco is Mitch Marner but if he is even 80% of Mitch, then you have an option where it doesn't kill you to lose Mitch. Plus those 4 first round picks!

He's not even 35% of Mitch. They're not letting Mitch go nor is he getting an offer sheet of $12M.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Wonder if it might be a good idea to try and sell high on Bracco.

I have read the conflicting opinions about Bracco, Papetti is very high on him.  So let's pretend this scenario; Marner receives an offer sheet of 12 million, out of the Leafs budget.  You get what 4 first round picks for that kind of dosh.  Not saying Bracco is Mitch Marner but if he is even 80% of Mitch, then you have an option where it doesn't kill you to lose Mitch. Plus those 4 first round picks!

He's not even 35% of Mitch. They're not letting Mitch go nor is he getting an offer sheet of $12M.

I see guys like Kappy or Johnsson getting them first and if the Leafs feel they're too high, then guys like Bracco or whoever can fill the role when/if they let them walk.

 

[bustaheims]

I see guys like Kappy or Johnsson getting them first and if the Leafs feel they're too high, then guys like Bracco or whoever can fill the role when/if they let them walk.

That is much more likely, yeah. The teams that have the cap space to give big money to guys like Marner can't risk/afford to give up the picks, while the teams that can take the risk on the picks don't really have the cap space. That's not true about guys like Kapanen and Johnsson - the cap hit and the compensation picks will both be much more easy for teams to absorb. Getting them signed to reasonable contracts might actually need to be the priority this off-season.

 

[Bullfrog]

And even then, I'd bet it's more likely the teams interested in either Johnsson or Kapanen would work out a trade with Dubas.

 

[bustaheims]

And even then, I'd bet it's more likely the teams interested in either Johnsson or Kapanen would work out a trade with Dubas.

That?s also probably true. Might cost them more in assets up front, but almost certainly much less on the cap than an offer sheet they don?t think the Leafs would match.

 

[Highlander]

Wonder if it might be a good idea to try and sell high on Bracco.

I have read the conflicting opinions about Bracco, Papetti is very high on him.  So let's pretend this scenario; Marner receives an offer sheet of 12 million, out of the Leafs budget.  You get what 4 first round picks for that kind of dosh.  Not saying Bracco is Mitch Marner but if he is even 80% of Mitch, then you have an option where it doesn't kill you to lose Mitch. Plus those 4 first round picks!

He's not even 35% of Mitch. They're not letting Mitch go nor is he getting an offer sheet of $12M.

I hope not, I hope Mitch is a Leaf for life, like Tavares he bleeds blue and white and will take a home team discount.  Making 9 million a year or even 10 million, not much difference in final lifestyle choices.

 

[Zee]

Wonder if it might be a good idea to try and sell high on Bracco.

I have read the conflicting opinions about Bracco, Papetti is very high on him.  So let's pretend this scenario; Marner receives an offer sheet of 12 million, out of the Leafs budget.  You get what 4 first round picks for that kind of dosh.  Not saying Bracco is Mitch Marner but if he is even 80% of Mitch, then you have an option where it doesn't kill you to lose Mitch. Plus those 4 first round picks!

He's not even 35% of Mitch. They're not letting Mitch go nor is he getting an offer sheet of $12M.

I hope not, I hope Mitch is a Leaf for life, like Tavares he bleeds blue and white and will take a home team discount.  Making 9 million a year or even 10 million, not much difference in final lifestyle choices.

Paul Marner wants the same contract as Matthews

 

[Guilt Trip]

Wonder if it might be a good idea to try and sell high on Bracco.

I have read the conflicting opinions about Bracco, Papetti is very high on him.  So let's pretend this scenario; Marner receives an offer sheet of 12 million, out of the Leafs budget.  You get what 4 first round picks for that kind of dosh.  Not saying Bracco is Mitch Marner but if he is even 80% of Mitch, then you have an option where it doesn't kill you to lose Mitch. Plus those 4 first round picks!

He's not even 35% of Mitch. They're not letting Mitch go nor is he getting an offer sheet of $12M.

I hope not, I hope Mitch is a Leaf for life, like Tavares he bleeds blue and white and will take a home team discount.  Making 9 million a year or even 10 million, not much difference in final lifestyle choices.

Paul Marner wants the same contract as Matthews

Then there will be a stand off. Don't see the Leafs paying him the same.

 

[herman]

I can't find any info when Duzak and Rasanen may be given some ice time?

Duszak hits the ice tonight, #21

 

[Highlander]

I can't find any info when Duzak and Rasanen may be given some ice time?

Duszak hits the ice tonight, #21

thanks Herman, hoping he is a hit. Interesting to see where Rasanen will tap in.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I can't find any info when Duzak and Rasanen may be given some ice time?

Duszak hits the ice tonight, #21

Great. Hope he becomes a keeper!

 

[Bender]

Bracco and Sandin with more points!

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/KPapetti/status/1108552567439740929