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2019-2020 NHL Thread

Nik said:
Sure but same problem there. If you want significant fines, you'd need players to have some sort of independent arbiter.
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I think that would be okay. The fact that most player fines max out at $5,000 is a joke. I'm not saying players should be fined millions of dollars, but, in a league where minimum salary will soon be $750,000, fines need to at least be able to go up to a level where full-time NHLers - especially higher paid players - at least notice.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik said:
Sure but same problem there. If you want significant fines, you'd need players to have some sort of independent arbiter.
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I think that would be okay. The fact that most player fines max out at $5,000 is a joke. I'm not saying players should be fined millions of dollars, but, in a league where minimum salary will soon be $750,000, fines need to at least be able to go up to a level where full-time NHLers - especially higher paid players - at least notice.
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Well, except I think the point of fines is that they're meant to be for minor infractions that don't rise to the level of a suspension. A player getting suspended for 5 games on a million dollar deal is effectively getting fined 60 grand.

So I'm just not sure what sort of infraction you're thinking of where it would be worth, say, a 25 thousand dollar fine but not a suspension.
 
Also even the fines are something that's set in the CBA, so they aren't getting touched without PA approval. And that seems like something they'll never agree to.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Also even the fines are something that's set in the CBA, so they aren't getting touched without PA approval. And that seems like something they'll never agree to.
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Like I said, I'm not sure that's true if it wasn't combined with an actual independent body doing the fining but anyways...

The other thing to keep in mind re: fines, and I think I'm right on this, is that unlike a suspension where I think the amount gets subtracted from a player's paycheck, fines come right from a player don't they? So a 2500 dollar fine to a guy on a million dollar contract isn't a lot still but if you figure he's taking home roughly 450k of that then it's the equivalent of a guy taking home 45k a year getting a 250 dollar ticket which would be a real pain in the butt and you wouldn't want too many of them(albeit with the obvious caveat that it's not a 1 to 1 comparison).
 
Nik said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Also even the fines are something that's set in the CBA, so they aren't getting touched without PA approval. And that seems like something they'll never agree to.
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Like I said, I'm not sure that's true if it wasn't combined with an actual independent body doing the fining but anyways...

The other thing to keep in mind re: fines, and I think I'm right on this, is that unlike a suspension where I think the amount gets subtracted from a player's paycheck, fines come right from a player don't they? So a 2500 dollar fine to a guy on a million dollar contract isn't a lot still but if you figure he's taking home roughly 450k of that then it's the equivalent of a guy taking home 45k a year getting a 250 dollar ticket which would be a real pain in the butt and you wouldn't want too many of them(albeit with the obvious caveat that it's not a 1 to 1 comparison).
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I think you could easily add a couple of people in the room of the supplemental discipline team that are on the PA payroll if that was really such a big deal.

I just don't think there's much of an appetite on either side to start handing out longer suspensions or greater fines.  I don't think this league nor the PA is taking much of a stand on head injuries...it's mostly talk.
 
Frank E said:
I think you could easily add a couple of people in the room of the supplemental discipline team that are on the PA payroll if that was really such a big deal.
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It's not just about having some level of input, it's about having an independent process and, most specifically, an independent decision maker with the final say. That absolutely is a big deal and Bettman would surrender that authority over his dead body.
 
The NBA, WBNA and MLB, who I think cancelled 2 games, really didn't do anything. The PLAYERS did it so to suggest the NHL did nothing is not really a fair criticism. According to Daly, the players were allowed to react anyway they saw fit. We'll see where this goes and see if this was the right move by the Bucks. We really don't know if this will have an effect on the people in power who can make a change. Let's see what the Leagues do today. Fact is one of the highest profile cases was Rodney King back in 1991 and the fact that it seems to be worse now is a sad state. I just don't get why it hasn't changed by now.
 
The NBA players voted to return to play tomorrow night. So games are just cancelled tonight. Reportedly, the Clippers and Lakers voted to end the season, but they were outvoted by everyone else.
I agree, cancelling one or two games and then rescheduling really doesn't do much.
Cancelling an entire season says something. The players are sacrificing something of their own for what they feel is the greater good.
 
TimKerr said:
The NBA players voted to return to play tomorrow night. So games are just cancelled tonight. Reportedly, the Clippers and Lakers voted to end the season, but they were outvoted by everyone else.
I agree, cancelling one or two games and then rescheduling really doesn't do much.
Cancelling an entire season says something. The players are sacrificing something of their own for what they feel is the greater good.
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Agreed, its a band aid solution to a nation bleeding problem.
 
https://twitter.com/matt_dumba/status/1299038390487318529
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1299041511712194563
 
TimKerr said:
The NBA players voted to return to play tomorrow night. So games are just cancelled tonight. Reportedly, the Clippers and Lakers voted to end the season, but they were outvoted by everyone else.
I agree, cancelling one or two games and then rescheduling really doesn't do much.
Cancelling an entire season says something. The players are sacrificing something of their own for what they feel is the greater good.
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I don't think anyone's really under the impression that any action taken by NBA players is going to "do something" if it means substantive legislative action. I think these wildcat strikes are as effective as anything in generating attention towards their cause and beyond that there's not much players can realistically accomplish on their own. We don't know what kind of conversations players are having with ownership and there is evidence that owners are becoming more and more receptive to assisting the players with their political aims.

Also, this opens up the possibility of a much more impactful labour action down the line. Imagine players not coming out for the finals? This isn't the end of player activism, it's probably just the beginning.
 
https://twitter.com/TheBeaverton/status/1298978815759147009

?Just goes to show you how much grit and truculence these boys have,? said Bruins fan Duncan Holmes. ?In basketball if they have a banged up knee or are forced to witness state sanctioned violence against an entire race, no way they go out there.?

?This is just like when [Eric] Tangradi blocked four shots in a row. Only instead of pucks they?re blocking out that voice in their heads saying this isn?t right.?
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https://twitter.com/GregBalloch/status/1298984136229580800
The onus really shouldn't be on black athletes (or people of colour in general) to solve systemic racism.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/GregBalloch/status/1298984136229580800
The onus really shouldn't be on black athletes (or people of colour in general) to solve systemic racism.
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But sports are my distraction from the world....yeah that?s why the disruption is actually slightly meaningful.  People need to start taking their heads out of their behinds and dealing with the crap going on in our society
 
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