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2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

I'm curious how they would even regulate something like this. Do teams need to shut their doors at a certain point? What about things like development/prospects camps that typically happen right in the middle of the summer?
 
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1284145201032953861

I can't wait to see what the official wording of this "rule" is in the CBA. Can Robertson use the city-owned facilities as long as he isn't wearing a Leafs jersey?
 
Yeah, this still really feels like a union issue to me.  Players might feel compelled to train year round and most wouldn't like that. 

We've all read the stories of the league getting younger, and veteran players feeling the heat from younger players trying to take their jobs, etc...

At the very least, I can see the PA being totally fine with it.
 
Frank E said:
Yeah, this still really feels like a union issue to me.  Players might feel compelled to train year round and most wouldn't like that.
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I mean Friedman specifically said teams complained so I'm just going off that instead of offering alternate explanations.

Also generally speaking players do train year round these days. "Offseasons" are pretty short. This isn't going to do anything to stop the pressure of doing that. It just forces them to use crappier facilities to do so. Or potentially have prospects who haven't gotten a paycheque yet to pay out of pocket for it. Hardly seems like something the PA would be in favour of.
 
Frank E said:
Yeah, this still really feels like a union issue to me.  Players might feel compelled to train year round and most wouldn't like that. 
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That's an easy thing to fix without banning teams from offering the use of their facilities. All that requires is a language stating that teams can't require or compel players train at their facilities or with their staff in the offseason. After that, there are grievance processes in place for players that feel pressured into things.

Really, this is other teams being like "that team has more money than we do, and it's not fair that they're using it to accomplish stuff."
 
bustaheims said:
Really, this is other teams being like "that team has more money than we do, and it's not fair that they're using it to accomplish stuff."
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Or, in other words, the driving economic factor behind every decision the league has made in the last 15 years.
 
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-investing-justin-brazeau/ (2019 article)

Brazeau drove south in mid-May and is dedicating this summer to his stride, hitting the ice for sessions with Underhill, the Leafs dedicated skating coach, three or four times a week and training daily at the Leafs practice facility.

Underhill is dismantling Brazeau?s stride right down to the basics in order to rebuild it properly, like a golfer learning a new swing starting with the grip and stance.

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No other team was offering the late-blooming prospect this level of investment and attention, so he?s banking on hard work and improvement to pay the Leafs back.

?They gave me the best chance of taking my pro career forward,? Brazeau says. ?I know I have to earn my spot on the team.?

Brazeau is finally undergoing the type of intense skills and skating training the majority of his drafted peers received as kids, but you won?t catch him regretful.
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This is who this is directly going to hurt. Honestly disgraceful that the NHL is saying guys like Justin can't put in the extra mile to try and reach his dreams.
 
This is ridiculous.

I guess the Leafs are going to have to get creative.

EDIT:  You'd think the Leafs were building perennial President's Trophy teams given the attention the rest of the teams are paying to them.
 
So it would sound like players can still use facilities like a team gym, which I'm happy about. And they can still have access to the ice, which again is good. But the fact that someone like Justin Brazeau is forbidden access from someone like Barb Underhill to improve his skating is insane and something no PA member should support.

Granted, I'm sure the Leafs don't care. Brazeau (or whoever) will probably just go to Underhill (or whoever) as an individual and not as a member of the Leafs for training.
 
Earl's follow-up to that tweet also wonders if this would even apply to someone like Brazeau (or Noel Hoefenmayer) since those players are signed to AHL contracts and not bound by the NHL CBA.
 
Nik said:
bustaheims said:
Really, this is other teams being like "that team has more money than we do, and it's not fair that they're using it to accomplish stuff."
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Or, in other words, the driving economic factor behind every decision the league has made in the last 15 years.
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Sure, though this feels stupider, as it doesn't impact the financial health of any other team.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Earl's follow-up to that tweet also wonders if this would even apply to someone like Brazeau (or Noel Hoefenmayer) since those players are signed to AHL contracts and not bound by the NHL CBA.
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Very good point! Let's hope so.
 
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2020/7/17/21328792/its-not-fair-maple-leafs-get-everything-nhl-will-put-a-stop-to-it

That is an extremely good header image.
 
That section in the CBA is actually completely fucking crazy. You're basically not allowing an organization to even suggest a player work out in the offseason. What is this, freaking minority report? If Kyle Dubas says "No... don't come to train in Toronto during the offseason" and winks two times does ICE throw him in a detention center at the border? Good god.
 
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