2019 Draft Discussion

[ZBBM]

I suppose this reduces to the old argument about picking for need vs. BPA.  Of course, by the time you get to even as as high 53rd pick in the draft the demonstrable talent differences between the players available are already narrowing, and by the later rounds it is, as I think everyone would agree, a crap shoot.  Seems to me that you might use at least a few of the lower picks to address gaps in the system, since the chances of any of them panning out are low.

Those gaps in the system can be addressed by trading our crap shoots that pan out for other teams? crapshoots that pan out. And, if you want the best odds of a crapshoot panning out, you take those that you think have the highest ceiling rather than specific attributes. In the draft, you always always need to be looking for guys who will provide maximum value as assets. Trade to fill need, draft to fill value.

It's also pretty debatable that grinding, physical wingers with size is a big weakness in the system right now with guys like Marchment and Engvall and so on. Honestly, I look at the system and the things that stick out as real problems is just a general dearth of talent and especially down the middle.

And maybe even moreso in net...if Freddie has any sort of injury issues we're in trouble.

Trouble as in "sunk."  Unless a Binnington emerges.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

My Filipino American wife who is also from Southern California is ecstatic about our 2nd round pick.

 

[hockeyfan1]

This Nick Robertson stands out.  Sounds like a future Bruin mauler. 

?Robertson?s work ethic makes him stand out from both his peers and opponents on the ice. He forechecks hard, backchecks hard, supports low in the zone and strides as fast as he can to get on offence ? where he shines the most. He isn?t just a unique, undersized grinder. He is also a very skilled player. He goes to the corners and to the front of the net, finds the puck, and digs it out to attack the opposing defensive box using his shifty hands and size to his advantage to slip in and out looking for scoring chances.?

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https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/nhl-draft/2019/6/22/18713483/toronto-maple-leafs-draft-nick-robertson-53rd-overall-2019-nhl-draft-maple-leafs-prospects-petes

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/russohockey/status/1142555949078417408

Well if Fenton says so...

 

[disco]

https://twitter.com/PapineauCouture/status/1142556587514425344

 

[Bates]

Dubas literally talked to every GM trying to make a deal.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Dubas literally talked to every GM trying to make a deal.

That's what was apparently reported. He was the busiest guy in the room.

 

[Bates]

Dubas literally talked to every GM trying to make a deal.

That's what was apparently reported. He was the busiest guy in the room.

Haha I meant that for the picture with two phones up. But he did seem to be beating every trail.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Dubas literally talked to every GM trying to make a deal.

That's what was apparently reported. He was the busiest guy in the room.

Haha I meant that for the picture with two phones up. But he did seem to be beating every trail.

Haha, saw that pic too

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Damn, Nick Robertson outscored Semyon Der-Arguchintsev by 9 points in 8 less games last year.

Yeah, says the guy who doesn't capitalize his proper name.

 

[herman]

Damn, Nick Robertson outscored Semyon Der-Arguchintsev by 9 points in 8 less games last year.

Yeah, says the guy who doesn't capitalize his proper name.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I really sucks that the NHL has a rule that small, skilled players can never be traded for "heavier" players.  We're stuck with all of of these tiny lil' fellas forever.

Never really thought of that thought process. Rather than draft for possible success let's go with drafting for possible future trade value.

If only that was the point.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Robertson sounds like a steal. Hope it works out.

 

[herman]

I forgot to do this last year so this one is a two-fer

2019

Rd	Pick	Player	Year	Position	Height	Weight
2	53	Nick Robertson	2001 (D-0)	LW	5?9"	160 lbs
3	84	Mike Kokkonen	2001 (D-0)	LD	5?10"	190 lbs
4	115	Mikhail Abramov	2001 (D-0)	C	5?11"	154 lbs
4	124	Nick Abruzzese	1999 (D+2)	C	5?9"	160 lbs
5	146	Mike Koster	2001 (D-0)	LD	5?9"	171 lbs
7	204	Kalle Loponen	2001 (D-0)	RD	5?10"	185 lbs

2018

Rd	Pick	Player	Year	Position	Height	Weight
1	29	Rasmus Sandin	2000 (D-0)	LD	5?11"	183 lbs
2	52	Sean Durzi	1998 (D+1)	RD	6?	187 lbs
3	76	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	2000 (D-0)	C	5?11"	170 lbs
3	83	Riley Stotts	2000 (D-0)	C	5?11"	179 lbs
4	118	Mac Hollowell	1998 (D+2)	RD	5?10"	163 lbs
5	149	Filip Kral	1999 (D-0)	LD	6?1"	171 lbs
6	156	Pontus Holmberg	1999 (D+1)	LW	5?10"	176 lbs
7	209	Zachary Bouthillier	1999 (D-0)	G	6?2"	190 lbs
7	211	Semyon Kizimov	2000 (D-0)	RW	6?	176 lbs

2017

Rd	Pick	Player	Year	Position	Height	Weight
1	17	Timothy Liljegren	1999 (D-0)	RD	6'0"	191 lbs
2	59	Eemeli Rasanen	1999 (D-0)	RD	6'7"	208 lbs
4	110	Ian Scott	1999 (D-0)	G	6'3"	172 lbs
4	124	Vladislav Kara	1998 (D+1)	C/LW	6'2"	187 lbs
5	141	Fedor Gordeev	1997 (D-0)	LD	6'6"	211 lbs
6	172	Ryan McGregor	1999 (D-0)	C	6'0"	157 lbs
7	203	Ryan O'Connell	1999 (D-0)	LD	6'1"	208 lbs

2016

Rd	Pick	Player	Year	Position	Height	Weight
1	1	Auston Matthews	1997 (D-0)	C	6'2"	216 lbs
2	31	Yegor Korshkov	1996 (D+2)	RW	6'3"	179 lbs
2	57	Carl Grundstrom	1997 (D-0)	LW	6'0"	194 lbs
3	62	Joseph Woll	1998 (D-0)	G	6'3"	196 lbs
3	72	J.D. Greenway	1998 (D-0)	LD	6'4"	205 lbs
4	92	Adam Brooks	1996 (D+2)	C	5'11"	176 lbs
4	101	Keaton Middleton	1998 (D-0)	LD	6'5"	234 lbs
5	122	Vladimir Bobylev	1997 (D+1)	LW/C	6'2"	203 lbs
6	152	Jonathan "Jack" Walker	1996 (D+2)	LW	5'11"	179 lbs
6	179	Nicolas Mattinen	1998 (D-0)	RD	6'4"	220 lbs
7	182	Nikolai Chebykin	1997 (D+1)	LW/RW	6'3"	209 lbs

2015

Rd	Pick	Player	Year	Position	Height	Weight
1	4	Mitch Marner	1997 (D-0)	C/RW	5'11"	163 lbs
2	34	Travis Dermott	1996 (D-0)	LD	5'11"	196 lbs
2	61	Jeremy Bracco	1997 (D-0)	RW/C	5'9"	172 lbs
3	65	Andrew Nielsen	1996 (D-0)	LD	6'3"	207 lbs
3	68	Martins Dzierkals	1997 (D-0)	LW/RW	5'11"	170 lbs
4	95	Jesper Lindgren	1997 (D-0)	RD	6'0"	161 lbs
5	125	Dmytro Timashov	1996 (D-0)	LW/RW	5'10"	187 lbs
6	155	Stephen Desrocher	1996 (D+1)	LD	6'4"	198 lbs
7	185	Nikita Korostelev	1997 (D-0)	LW/RW	6'1"	194 lbs

 

[herman]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/06/23/2019-nhl-draft-toronto-maple-leafs-pick-list/

The Dubas template for later picks:
Priorities: high hockey IQ and puck skills
Room for growth: skating, strength, size

Three years ago, there seemed to be an emphasis on big defensemen. Is skill maybe overtaking size or do you go for what is available taking it in combination?

Dubas: We have our scouts and we have very defined criteria we want to draft from. These are young guys, so you never know how much they are going to grow or if they?re going to grow, but I think as we all know, we?re not the same weight as when we were 17/18. Things change, sometimes mightily so. We?ve got a good development program that can help our guys with their strength work. Rich Rotenberg will immediately get his hands on these guys, and Trevor St. Agathe in the weight room and with their habits off the ice, and Scott Pellerin on the ice. We will be on our way. We are excited about the group that we got despite not having a first-round pick. We are excited to start working with them here.

 

[Zee]

Don Cherry shat all over the Leafs draft

http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=494067&sid=AL83&ext=DOCX&lcl=Leafs-draft-picks.docx&usr=CoachsCornerDC

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Don Cherry has a worse eye for young talent that most people on this board.

A quick reminder of his coaching career in the OHL.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Don Cherry is just pro Canadian kids to a fault. His record coaching was terrible because they refused to take imports when everyone else was.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Don Cherry is just pro Canadian kids to a fault.

Yeah, that's one way to put it.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Don Cherry is just pro Canadian kids to a fault.

Yeah, that's one way to put it.

I'm being nice lol