2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion

[Guilt Trip]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Isn't there an issue with signing bonuses not being part of buyout and buyout having to happen before July 1st so Leafs Can't pay signing bonus first. It's July and Dec for signing bonuses BTW.

I think you're right.  How about the Leafs terminate his contract like Habs did with Plekanec last year? That is a legal move.

They both have to agree to terminate right?  Would Marleau be willing to walk away from the money?  Doubt it.

I think they'd still pay his bonuses and his salary is only 1.25 which could easily be paid by SJ.

I doubt you can pull the mutual termination card and sign elsewhere.

Found this on pro hockey rumours site...

Over the last three seasons in particular, we?ve seen a number of so-called ?mutual terminations?. In fact, we?ve seen more mutual terminations over this period than buyouts. They are just as they sound ? when a player and team decide their prior arrangement is no longer agreeable, the teams cut ties entirely. The benefit for the team is that the cap hit of the player is cancelled out entirely. The benefit for the player is that they then have the opportunity to seek employment with a different franchise or a different league.

 

[bustaheims]

Mutual termination is actually somewhat of a misnomer. Per the NHL's standard player contract, it can only happen in these circumstances:

If the Player shall at any time:

(a) fail, refuse, or neglect to obey the Club's rules governing training and conduct of Players, if such failure, refusal or neglect should constitute a material breach of this SPC.

or (b) fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach this SPC.

Players can challenge the termination - so, it's not always mutual. Usually, it's in both parties best interests, as the player intends to leave for Europe. It's not really an option for a player who intends on staying in the NHL. It would almost certainly be consider cap circumvention.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

As a 35+ contract even if they did decide to mutually terminate the deal the cap hit would still count.

 

[bustaheims]

As a 35+ contract even if they did decide to mutually terminate the deal the cap hit would still count.

There is that wrinkle, as well, yeah. The only way out of Marleau's cap hit is a trade.

 

[Bates]

As a 35+ contract even if they did decide to mutually terminate the deal the cap hit would still count.

Plecanec's didn't according to piece I just read. I think he was 35??

 

[CarltonTheBear]

As a 35+ contract even if they did decide to mutually terminate the deal the cap hit would still count.

Plecanec's didn't according to piece I just read. I think he was 35??

Sorry, the 35+ rules apply to multi-year deals only.

 

[Bates]

As a 35+ contract even if they did decide to mutually terminate the deal the cap hit would still count.

Plecanec's didn't according to piece I just read. I think he was 35??

Sorry, the 35+ rules apply to multi-year deals only.

Both right, it's a win!!!

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1142215942878842880?s=12
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[Highlander]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1142215942878842880?s=12
[emoji57]

rather see it with Johnsson.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1142215942878842880?s=12
[emoji57]

rather see it with Johnsson.

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[emoji57]

rather see it with Johnsson.

Johnsson will be the easier to sign because of arbitration. I don't really have a preference between the 2 because I think there is still a lot of growth to go in both players. Kappy's speed may give him a slight edge in my books. He's also younger. Anyway let's hope they can keep both of them and we may need to if the Marner deal falls. Will be intetesting to see the terms.

 

[hockeyfan1]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1142215942878842880?s=12
[emoji57]

rather see it with Johnsson.

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[emoji57]

rather see it with Johnsson.

Johnsson will be the easier to sign because of arbitration. I don't really have a preference between the 2 because I think there is still a lot of growth to go in both players. Kappy's speed may give him a slight edge in my books. He's also younger. Anyway let's hope they can keep both of them and we may need to if the Marner deal falls. Will be intetesting to see the terms.

Agree.  I would like the Leafs to retain both as they each have their unique qualities.

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1142215942878842880?s=12
[emoji57]

rather see it with Johnsson.

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https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1142215942878842880?s=12
[emoji57]

rather see it with Johnsson.

Johnsson will be the easier to sign because of arbitration. I don't really have a preference between the 2 because I think there is still a lot of growth to go in both players. Kappy's speed may give him a slight edge in my books. He's also younger. Anyway let's hope they can keep both of them and we may need to if the Marner deal falls. Will be intetesting to see the terms.

Agree.  I would like the Leafs to retain both as they each have their unique qualities.

If true it's good news. I think of the 3 RFA's Kapanen was most likely to get the imaginary offer sheet.  We'll see if the contract gets done today.

 

[Bender]

https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1142465480491327488?s=09

What the hell?

 

[lc9]

Marleau traded.

 

[Bender]

Marleau traded.

I know, I mean that we had to throw in a 1st. I guess better than losing a roster player? Still.....

 

[Deebo]

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1142476143393673221

 

[Deebo]

Marleau traded.

I know, I mean that we had to throw in a 1st. I guess better than losing a roster player? Still.....

Woulf you rather have kept him and dealt players like Kapanen or Johnsson to get cap compliant and keep the 1st?

 

[dappleganger]

Marleau traded.

I know, I mean that we had to throw in a 1st. I guess better than losing a roster player? Still.....

Woulf you rather have kept him and dealt players like Kapanen or Johnsson to get cap compliant and keep the 1st?

He said in his reply that it was better than moving a roster player.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1142476143393673221

That would be a good deal. I would expect Johnsson to come in near the same. Brown is def gone.

 

[Bender]

Marleau traded.

I know, I mean that we had to throw in a 1st. I guess better than losing a roster player? Still.....

Woulf you rather have kept him and dealt players like Kapanen or Johnsson to get cap compliant and keep the 1st?

He said in his reply that it was better than moving a roster player.

I'm just saying it's a tough pill to get out of a one year contract. It was gonna be tough regardless, I guess I was hoping for a 2nd or something.