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2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

Jordan Bean has been upgraded to the coaching staff on the video side, taking over for the departing Andrew Brewer.

Brewer on the differences in his role under Sheldon Keefe vs. Mike Babcock:

In my role, one of the main differences: Under Mike, every morning, I had a team faceoff meeting. He was very into faceoffs. Sheldon isn?t as much as dedicated to showing the team faceoffs. He would show a couple of them in the evening meetings. That?s a little bit how my role changed.

But I did even more pre-scouting and preparation for Sheldon. That was kind of my role.
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Bean was hired in 2016 as a video analyst.

Taking his place as the eye in the sky will be:
https://twitter.com/LeafsPR/status/1300825915153362946

Sam Kim has a cool story that was profiled on The Athletic.
Kim?s first paid position in hockey was as Sparky, the mascot for the New York Islanders from 2008 to 2011.

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Starring on the ice as Sparky at least moved him in the right direction. The Islanders decided to make him one of the instructors at the youth academy, sans mask.

?In some ways you could say that was step one if you look at my career,? Kim says.

All that did was further entice him. He left his post, and costume, behind after three years.

?I decided I was gonna go all in with both of my feet in the water to try and find a coaching job,? he says.

Kim had never been a coach before. He had no business being one at the college level.

But in the middle of his mascot years, Kim managed to land an interview with Columbia University?s club team and blew his questioners away over three two-hour meetings. He was well prepared. At 24, he got the gig ahead of the 2009-10 season.

?I came in with a binder and mock practice plans and goals and visions for the program,? he says. ?Despite my lack of experience coaching, they told me they felt very good about me because of how organized I was. That was how I was able to talk my way into it.?
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Dubas is Amy Santiago.
 
Hypothetically, what do we think Marner would be worth in a trade?

I ask because I'm wondering if his contract might be a problem in a flat cap moving forward for teams.
 
Frank E said:
Hypothetically, what do we think Marner would be worth in a trade?

I ask because I'm wondering if his contract might be a problem in a flat cap moving forward for teams.
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I think the cap is not that much of a problem; his signing bonuses are though, as organizations are struggling to stay liquid.

The advantage (after next year), is that most of Marner's salary will be paid off, relative to cap hit. So teams that have cap space but run an internal cap would see a nice -2ishM for premium talent. But the teams that can handle the signing bonuses (14.3M, 9.608, 3x7.25M) like Chicago, Montreal, NYR, aren't necessarily running internal caps; and they're also generally depleted in the elements that the Leafs would desire.

Any Marner deal begins with a top-pairing NHL defenseman under 27 and also includes a 1st and probably a serviceable NHL winger to balance money, and the Leafs still probably 'lose' that trade.
 
https://twitter.com/mostlyleafies/status/1301688100582830083
Weird, no one is trying to trade Crosby or Barzal...
 
Justice never sleeps

Also this includes his garbage season post-contract stalemate. I wonder what his fan base perception would be if he was more of a b-hole on the ice, rather than a happy-go-lucky big brother. He has the toolkit and the skill set to go MacKinnon.

Zach Hyman has the same goal scoring rate lol

Edit: in case anyone comes across this later
https://twitter.com/theoakleafs/status/1302344619850706945
 
herman said:
Frank E said:
Hypothetically, what do we think Marner would be worth in a trade?

I ask because I'm wondering if his contract might be a problem in a flat cap moving forward for teams.
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I think the cap is not that much of a problem; his signing bonuses are though, as organizations are struggling to stay liquid.

The advantage (after next year), is that most of Marner's salary will be paid off, relative to cap hit. So teams that have cap space but run an internal cap would see a nice -2ishM for premium talent. But the teams that can handle the signing bonuses (14.3M, 9.608, 3x7.25M) like Chicago, Montreal, NYR, aren't necessarily running internal caps; and they're also generally depleted in the elements that the Leafs would desire.

Any Marner deal begins with a top-pairing NHL defenseman under 27 and also includes a 1st and probably a serviceable NHL winger to balance money, and the Leafs still probably 'lose' that trade.
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I was thinking something along the lines of #1 d-man and a solid 3rd line centre.

If the trade is after his signing bonus then the pick comes into play.

Like, Jones and Jenner for example...but both of those guys have only 2 more years on their deals.
 
Ellis + Johansen?

Actually Arvidsson is kind of interesting, assuming he's a "buy-low" candidate after a down year..
 
Frank E said:
Would anyone else entertain a Karlsson for Marner deal?
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As amusing as that would be, given his health issues sand the age difference, probably not. Not without San Jose adding some significant assets in addition, which feels unlikely.
 
Frycer14 said:
Guilt Trip said:
Frank E said:
Would anyone else entertain a Karlsson for Marner deal?
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No.
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It'll be a treat to look back to when the Leafs traded a guy tracking hall of fame numbers because his agent negotiated a bit more money than the fans wanted.
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I don't want him traded unless you're getting a package you can't refuse.
 
Frycer14 said:
Guilt Trip said:
Frank E said:
Would anyone else entertain a Karlsson for Marner deal?
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No.
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It'll be a treat to look back to when the Leafs traded a guy tracking hall of fame numbers because his agent negotiated a bit more money than the fans wanted.
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I wouldn't trade Marner for Karlsson straight up either but I mean Karlsson is on track to be a hall of fame defenseman and he has been traded.  Good players get traded.  If the right deal comes along the Leafs should do it.
 
L K said:
Frycer14 said:
Guilt Trip said:
Frank E said:
Would anyone else entertain a Karlsson for Marner deal?
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No.
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It'll be a treat to look back to when the Leafs traded a guy tracking hall of fame numbers because his agent negotiated a bit more money than the fans wanted.
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I wouldn't trade Marner for Karlsson straight up either but I mean Karlsson is on track to be a hall of fame defenseman and he has been traded.  Good players get traded.  If the right deal comes along the Leafs should do it.
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Which team did Karlsson play his elite seasons with?
 
Frycer14 said:
Guilt Trip said:
Frank E said:
Would anyone else entertain a Karlsson for Marner deal?
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No.
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It'll be a treat to look back to when the Leafs traded a guy tracking hall of fame numbers because his agent negotiated a bit more money than the fans wanted.
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What did they get in return in your hypothetical trade?
 
L K said:
Frycer14 said:
Guilt Trip said:
Frank E said:
Would anyone else entertain a Karlsson for Marner deal?
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No.
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It'll be a treat to look back to when the Leafs traded a guy tracking hall of fame numbers because his agent negotiated a bit more money than the fans wanted.
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I wouldn't trade Marner for Karlsson straight up either but I mean Karlsson is on track to be a hall of fame defenseman and he has been traded.  Good players get traded.  If the right deal comes along the Leafs should do it.
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Yeah, and really all I'm trying to do here is actually find a team and a trade that would be workable and reasonable at the same time. 

The talk is always "let's get a bona fide #1 RHD"...OK, which one then?  Can you make the trade make sense for both teams?

Dubas has been screwing around with d-men for a couple of years now, and they still haven't addressed it to our satisfaction.  I think he's probably under pretty heavy pressure to get a premium guy or 2...you have to trade nice things if you want nice things in return.
 
Frank E said:
Yeah, and really all I'm trying to do here is actually find a team and a trade that would be workable and reasonable at the same time. 
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Well, if you discount Dubas saying Marner won't be traded, then I guess a good fit would be  franchise defencemen at the beginning of their careers, already producing an an elite level. We're not talking about moving a guy like Kapanen that can be filled internally or through FA... you have to get a comparable player for the talent and future you're giving up. I doubt there's a lot of teams with that asset looking to swipe right unless there was some bizarre set of circumstances at play - including the leafs.
 
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