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2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Especially if Hakstol, a Babcock pick, follows him to his next stop. Spezza/Martin reunion tour?!

Boudreau running the forwards/powerplay and Martin the defence/PK would definitely be interesting. But seeing as how Boudreau would almost certainly be a 1-year coach I would imagine the other assistant (assuming Hakstol leaves, which I wouldn't be too bummed about) I would guess the other candidate would be someone the Leafs think would be here on a more long-term basis. The team's certainly had a lot of turnover in that department the last few years.

I do like that the team is looking for a very experienced guy though, I think Keefe could use that.

AJ MacLean is likely to be the longer-term assistant, as he's been Keefe's running mate since their Soo days. Greg Moore needs to install his own team on the Marlies anyway.

Then after 3 years, Jason Spezza as the PP assistant coach.
 
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1296458090871754753

Bruce... skip to the last line of this post...

Hey, other teams, Boudreau's a terrible NHL coach. Hasn't even won a CUP. Don't bother hiring him.

Bruce... hello.
 
I wonder how having a management-installed big personality assistant coach with significant tenure as a head coach ceding to a 1st year coach would figure into the dynamic, particularly during adversity through a season.
 
Frycer14 said:
I wonder how having a management-installed big personality assistant coach with significant tenure as a head coach ceding to a 1st year coach would figure into the dynamic, particularly during adversity through a season.
I think it could be the same as Spezza taking on a 4th line role and helping out the young guys for minimum wage because it's the Leafs.
 
Frycer14 said:
I wonder how having a management-installed big personality assistant coach with significant tenure as a head coach ceding to a 1st year coach would figure into the dynamic, particularly during adversity through a season.

Yeah, I had the same thought.  I think it would only work if Keefe was all-in on him, and the job descriptions were specific.

As an aside, I'm not sold on Keefe being an upgrade on Babcock yet...I haven't seen him get any more out of these players than Babcock did.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Frycer14 said:
I wonder how having a management-installed big personality assistant coach with significant tenure as a head coach ceding to a 1st year coach would figure into the dynamic, particularly during adversity through a season.
I think it could be the same as Spezza taking on a 4th line role and helping out the young guys for minimum wage because it's the Leafs.

That's very different.  Boudreau is still considered a top-line head coach.  Spezza is not a top-line guy any more.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1296458090871754753

Bruce... skip to the last line of this post...

Hey, other teams, Boudreau's a terrible NHL coach. Hasn't even won a CUP. Don't bother hiring him.

Bruce... hello.

I think Dreger is full of it.

There's no way Boudreau would suggest that if he thought there may be a chance he'd do the assistant job in Toronto.  The first thing people would assume is that he only took the job because he couldn't find anything else, and it would make the Leafs look as though they were happy to play second fiddle.  It's a bad look for both parties.

Like I said, I don't think Boudreau would say such thing.
 
More evidence that it's not just a playoffs problem with this bunch:

Season         P%

2016-2017 0.579
2017-2018 0.640
2018-2019 0.610
2019-2020 0.579
 
Well if you dump the Babs figures from last year the Leafs had a P% of .628 under Keefe and over the course of the year they would have been 7th overall in the league. So nothing wrong with that. It's a fine line between winning and losing in the playoffs. Not saying they don't need help because they do.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Well if you dump the Babs figures from last year the Leafs had a P% of .628 under Keefe and over the course of the year they would have been 7th overall in the league. So nothing wrong with that. It's a fine line between winning and losing in the playoffs. Not saying they don't need help because they do.

Sure, you want to move goalposts? 

How about this one:  Since Jan 1 2020, the Leafs are .552, good for 19th in the league.
 
Is anyone arguing that lousy forward depth and a mediocre defensive unit along with middle of the pack goaltending are issues that only affects this team in the playoffs?
 
Memory is a strange thing, I remembered Boudreau as being a D man alongside Randy C.  May have been getting the Benning thing mixed up. So Boudreau would be coming in as an Offensive coach..Ok now I get it. Up to Keefer of course.
 
Highlander said:
Memory is a strange thing, I remembered Boudreau as being a D man alongside Randy C.  May have been getting the Benning thing mixed up. So Boudreau would be coming in as an Offensive coach..Ok now I get it. Up to Keefer of course.

It?s before my time but wasn?t Boudreau a forward?
 
Frank E said:
Guilt Trip said:
Well if you dump the Babs figures from last year the Leafs had a P% of .628 under Keefe and over the course of the year they would have been 7th overall in the league. So nothing wrong with that. It's a fine line between winning and losing in the playoffs. Not saying they don't need help because they do.

Sure, you want to move goalposts? 

How about this one:  Since Jan 1 2020, the Leafs are .552, good for 19th in the league.
Not moving goalposts but you can't ignore the negative effect Babs had on the overall numbers.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Frank E said:
Guilt Trip said:
Well if you dump the Babs figures from last year the Leafs had a P% of .628 under Keefe and over the course of the year they would have been 7th overall in the league. So nothing wrong with that. It's a fine line between winning and losing in the playoffs. Not saying they don't need help because they do.

Sure, you want to move goalposts? 

How about this one:  Since Jan 1 2020, the Leafs are .552, good for 19th in the league.
Not moving goalposts but you can't ignore the negative effect Babs had on the overall numbers.

Once you remove the honeymoon period from Keefe being promoted, the team showed they were exactly who we thought they were. Average.
 
I was thinking the other day (no, really) - from the perspective to how many organizations around the league would trade rosters (AHL+NHL) with the leafs, straight up, prior to when Dubas took over and now.

Assuming no team imposed caps factor - same, increase, or decrease?
 
https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-maple-leafs-trying-to-provide-prospects-some-sense-of-stability-1.1513702

The Leafs pivoted last week to a virtual development camp instead, hoping it would provide prospects with some sense of stability in the most uncertain of times.

?We've tried to maintain as much impact as we can on the player's development while also knowing that this is a challenging time for them,? Dubas told TSN. ?They?re at a pivotal time in their career and progression, and there really is nothing to do. They can't come to Toronto for the camp, they have no games to play, no practices. But once the [NHL] bubble clears out from Toronto we will get our practice rink back and we'll be able to open that up for off-ice training and workouts. We?ve already got a lot of the players that have had their seasons done for a while now [wanting to train], so that accessibility will be a key.?

Sending heart eyes to Nik Antropov
 

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