2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Kin]

I'm higher on Dermott than most on this site.

Also, just to re-focus things, I wonder when you say this are you saying you think Dermott is better than most other people do or are you saying you think Dermott still has more room for growth than other people do?

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I'm higher on Dermott than most on this site.

Also, just to re-focus things, I wonder when you say this are you saying you think Dermott is better than most other people do or are you saying you think Dermott still has more room for growth than other people do?

Or maybe Dermott is the name for a local strain of weed.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/KPapetti/status/1315298976107827201

 

[Kin]

I'm higher on Dermott than most on this site.

Also, just to re-focus things, I wonder when you say this are you saying you think Dermott is better than most other people do or are you saying you think Dermott still has more room for growth than other people do?

Or maybe Dermott is the name for a local strain of weed.

Feels like MLSE is missing an opportunity for synergy here what with boutique weed lines now legally available. Bud by the Buds.

I'll take an 8th of the dankest Kerfoot.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I'm higher on Dermott than most on this site.

Also, just to re-focus things, I wonder when you say this are you saying you think Dermott is better than most other people do or are you saying you think Dermott still has more room for growth than other people do?

Or maybe Dermott is the name for a local strain of weed.

Feels like MLSE is missing an opportunity for synergy here what with boutique weed lines now legally available. Bud by the Buds.

I'll take an 8th of the dankest Kerfoot.

Haha. That's gold...Columbian grade!

 

[Bullfrog]

I'm higher on Dermott than most on this site.

Also, just to re-focus things, I wonder when you say this are you saying you think Dermott is better than most other people do or are you saying you think Dermott still has more room for growth than other people do?

Kind of both, but primarily regarding where he stands right now. I think most of the disappointment that people have is knowing he's got all the tools to succeed, but feeling he hasn't progressed fast enough. I'm of the belief he's better now than some give him credit for. I'd rather have him than Holl.

 

[herman]

Kind of both, but primarily regarding where he stands right now. I think most of the disappointment that people have is knowing he's got all the tools to succeed, but feeling he hasn't progressed fast enough. I'm of the belief he's better now than some give him credit for. I'd rather have him than Holl.

Considering his injury-surgery-recovery wiping out the normal summer training, and then missing training camp... and also dragging various DJ Smith faves around the ice for much of his ELC...

I do think they're going to try him at a top-4 RD role before making a decision, unless someone blows them out of the water with an offer.

 

[Redleaf]

I'm higher on Dermott than most on this site.

Also, just to re-focus things, I wonder when you say this are you saying you think Dermott is better than most other people do or are you saying you think Dermott still has more room for growth than other people do?

Or maybe Dermott is the name for a local strain of weed.

Feels like MLSE is missing an opportunity for synergy here what with boutique weed lines now legally available. Bud by the Buds.

I'll take an 8th of the dankest Kerfoot.

Haha. That's gold...Columbian grade!

No 'Leaf' though. haha

 

[Guilt Trip]

I'm higher on Dermott than most on this site.

Also, just to re-focus things, I wonder when you say this are you saying you think Dermott is better than most other people do or are you saying you think Dermott still has more room for growth than other people do?

Or maybe Dermott is the name for a local strain of weed.

Feels like MLSE is missing an opportunity for synergy here what with boutique weed lines now legally available. Bud by the Buds.

I'll take an 8th of the dankest Kerfoot.

Haha. That's gold...Columbian grade!

No 'Leaf' though. haha

Especially a "Red" one lol.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Kind of both, but primarily regarding where he stands right now. I think most of the disappointment that people have is knowing he's got all the tools to succeed, but feeling he hasn't progressed fast enough. I'm of the belief he's better now than some give him credit for. I'd rather have him than Holl.

Considering his injury-surgery-recovery wiping out the normal summer training, and then missing training camp... and also dragging various DJ Smith faves around the ice for much of his ELC...

I do think they're going to try him at a top-4 RD role before making a decision, unless someone blows them out of the water with an offer.

I they don't trade him, I think they offer him a 2 year deal that maxes out at 1.5. He has the tools and he's too young to give up on. He has no arb rights so the Leafs call the shots here or he sits.

 

[herman]

I think he gets something similar to Victor Mete. 1 year 775k

 

[Guilt Trip]

I think he gets something similar to Victor Mete. 1 year 775k

I hope you're right and it's for 2 or 3 years lol. Don't think so though.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think he gets something similar to Victor Mete. 1 year 775k

I compared those two after Mete signed. IIRC Dermott had a slight edge in career scoring and playing time but they were close.

There's also the fact that Dermott's QO is $874,125 so naturally he'll come in a little higher than Mete. But I wouldn't be surprised if he got squeezed to stay under $1mil on a 1 year deal.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I think he gets something similar to Victor Mete. 1 year 775k

I compared those two after Mete signed. IIRC Dermott had a slight edge in career scoring and playing time but they were close.

There's also the fact that Dermott's QO is $874,125 so naturally he'll come in a little higher than Mete. But I wouldn't be surprised if he got squeezed to stay under $1mil on a 1 year deal.

Dubas holds all the cards. I could see Dubas offering him a 2 year deal for a little bit more. If he doesn't do well he can go bye bye via the waiver wire, Marlies, expansion draft.

 

[herman]

I think he gets something similar to Victor Mete. 1 year 775k

I compared those two after Mete signed. IIRC Dermott had a slight edge in career scoring and playing time but they were close.

There's also the fact that Dermott's QO is $874,125 so naturally he'll come in a little higher than Mete. But I wouldn't be surprised if he got squeezed to stay under $1mil on a 1 year deal.

I did 0 research

 

[ZBBM]

If you're not paying Bogosian 1 million to sit in the press box you're not paying Holl 2 million to be there instead. You'd rather have the money.

So Holl is cemented on the top/2nd pairing because of his contract?  I think Dermott would be a better choice to keep, and would come cheaper. 

He's cemented on the top/2nd pairing because he has proven chemistry with Muzzin in a shutdown role. Putting Bogosian in that spot gives him much tougher minutes than he can handle. Putting Dermott in that spot would be a risk because he yet to show he can step up in those top-4 minutes. Putting Brodie in that spot just leaves Rielly playing with a less than ideal partner too. I really don't get why Holl's spot is being questioned, nobody on the team right now can fill his role.

Proven chemistry with Muzzin?  I must have missed that.  He was paired with him because Barrie and Ceci were awful.

I think Dermott has more potential than Holl and would rather see him kept and Holl dealt.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Proven chemistry with Muzzin?  I must have missed that.  He was paired with him because Barrie and Ceci were awful.

I mean if you missed the 32 games that Muzzin and Holl played together I guess that's on you.

Muzzin and Holl were literally the teams most frequent defence pairing this past season.

 

[ZBBM]

Proven chemistry with Muzzin?  I must have missed that.  He was paired with him because Barrie and Ceci were awful.

I mean if you missed the 32 games that Muzzin and Holl played together I guess that's on you.

Like I said, that's not chemistry, it's necessity.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Proven chemistry with Muzzin?  I must have missed that.  He was paired with him because Barrie and Ceci were awful.

I mean if you missed the 32 games that Muzzin and Holl played together I guess that's on you.

Like I said, that's not chemistry, it's necessity.

I'm not sure it matters why they were put together, what matters is once they were they had very good on-ice results. 52.92 CF%, 53.85 GF%, 56.26 xGF%. All while starting most of their shifts in the defensive zone and against the other teams top players. I can't find the post now but a month or two ago I wrote about how those were among the best numbers for shutdown pairings this season.

 

[ZBBM]

So here's the subtext of this discussion of Holl: from my point of view, it's less about him and more about Liljegren and Sandin ... when are they going to be given a good, long look?  In an ideal world, given this week's D acquisitions, this would be the defense pairings:

Rielly/Brodie
Muzzin/Liljegren
Sandin/Bogosian (or Dermott)

Meaning: Ideally, Sandin and Liljegren have proven themselves to be competent NHL defensemen.  Will Liljegren do that?  Will Sandin?  Who knows?  They should have spent a good chunk of last season finding out, but they wasted that opportunity.  At some point you have to see if those high picks have what it takes.  Prioritizing Holl over them is a mistake IMO.