2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Guilt Trip]

:  Oh please.  Models schmodels.  Dubas was in no rush to re-sign him, you'll notice.  He was awful.

Just because he didn't fit the organizational needs doesn't make him 'awful'. He's an awful puck handler but Toronto mitigated it reasonably well. The market yielded some better ones; pretty sure if Bogo was a no go, we'd see Ceci again.

CC was good defensively. His issue was when he had the puck. As a 6th/7th guy you get a defensive d man that kills penalties making a mill. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Kin]

Dubas went out of his way to emphasize his impact in the locker room.  Which I'm sure is true.  What I was saying is that they said the same thing about Marleau ? which was true ? so the question is, how many times does the core of the team need to have gudpro Playoff Hocket success modeled for them?  At some point they need to go out and do it.  Matthews did this summer.

No one, including Dubas, said the current team needed anything modeled for them. The claim is that veteran leadership is a positive attribute that contributes to a team's ability to win games. Disagree with that all you want in the grander scheme but saying it's not true because Marleau didn't turn the team into cup winners just seems like you're looking for ways to whine about a low risk signing.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Signing Joe Thornton to a 1 year $700K deal is like giving a dead person an enema.  It can't hurt.

 

[disco]

As for why Dubas would even bother talking about Ceci: it was a specific question brought up by a reporter that wasn't Simmons.

Treating former players respectfully is just good HR and PR. Dubas' words and actions are constantly evaluated, not just by us, but by his current players and future players to come. They see a manager who tries to use every resource to position his players to succeed, treats them fairly in negotiation, and emphasizes their positives in public. This costs Dubas almost nothing, but is valuable down the road when a vet or rebounding player is looking for a place to rebuild on a show-me deal.

Compare and contrast to Vegas who have pivoted from plucky castoffs who work harder together to a ruthless mercenary outfit because a couple of really sexy players came within reach.

X2

 

[disco]

https://twitter.com/TheLeafsIMO/status/1317988810802794496

 

[Kin]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1318260906913091585

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1318260906913091585

So 1.25-1.85M at 1 year is the expected ruling range? Does point pace play a huge role in arbitration?

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1318260906913091585

So 1.25-1.85M at 1 year is the expected ruling range? Does point pace play a huge role in arbitration?

My understanding is that whoever doesn't file for arb gets to choose the term, either 1 or 2 years.

 

[L K]

2.7M would be a bad ruling but I don't see him winning this one.  Definitely think we get closer to 2 million on the ruling though and I was hoping we would get a generous ruling more like 1.6

 

[Guilt Trip]

I'll be shocked if it's close to 2 mill. He's played half a season. You never know though.

 

[Frank E]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1318260906913091585

So 1.25-1.85M at 1 year is the expected ruling range? Does point pace play a huge role in arbitration?

I'd pick his point pace in the play-in round.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm expecting somewhere in the neighbourhood of $1.5M. The lack of track record and age when looking at comparables doesn't help his arbitration case.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So 1.25-1.85M at 1 year is the expected ruling range? Does point pace play a huge role in arbitration?

Any stat available on NHL.com can be submitted in arbitration hearings, and point pace will certainly be one Mikheyev's camp provides. His 2.45 P/60 led all Leafs.

 

[herman]

So 1.25-1.85M at 1 year is the expected ruling range? Does point pace play a huge role in arbitration?

Any stat available on NHL.com can be submitted in arbitration hearings, and point pace will certainly be one Mikheyev's camp provides. His 2.45 P/60 led all Leafs.

Dunno man, I see Egor Korshkov at the top of that list.  8)

 

[Guilt Trip]

So 1.25-1.85M at 1 year is the expected ruling range? Does point pace play a huge role in arbitration?

Any stat available on NHL.com can be submitted in arbitration hearings, and point pace will certainly be one Mikheyev's camp provides. His 2.45 P/60 led all Leafs.

That's 5vs5 points for Mikheyev. Mikheyev is 6th on the Leafs for P/60.
Matthews...3.292
Marner...3.271
JT...3.086
Willy...2.811
Hyman...2.351
Mikheyev...2.335
He's also 4th in ESP/60 which to me is more important because he didn't get PP time. It'll be interesting to see if the arbitrator takes covid into consideration. Mik had a very good year but it was only half a year so it'll be interesting. I think if he gets 1.5, the Leafs will opt for the 2 year option.

 

[Bullfrog]

I was expecting him to get over $2M for sure; figured he'd ask for $3+. Johnsson got $3.4M after a single season at the almost exact points-per-game.

 

[Frank E]

I was expecting him to get over $2M for sure; figured he'd ask for $3+. Johnsson got $3.4M after a single season at the almost exact points-per-game.

Will you shut up...whose side are you on here?

Be quiet.

 

[Highlander]

Flat Cap and current market is going to affect the negotiation, no doubt, I would like to see it come in a max of 1.25 M.  I like Souperman a lot, but I did love Johnsson as well and liked Kapi as well.

I have learned not to get too attached to any one player.  I even see the 10 first round picks from AZ when Auston's deal is coming up for expiry and then we can welcome McDavid home as a free agent. Oh the future...after Covid, please.

 

[Redleaf]

I was expecting him to get over $2M for sure; figured he'd ask for $3+. Johnsson got $3.4M after a single season at the almost exact points-per-game.

Will you shut up...whose side are you on here?

Be quiet.

LOL

 

[L K]

I was expecting him to get over $2M for sure; figured he'd ask for $3+. Johnsson got $3.4M after a single season at the almost exact points-per-game.

43 points vs. 23 points
20 goals vs. 8 goals
4 points in 7 playoff games vs. 0 points in 5 playoff games
Age 23 at the time of signing vs Age 26 at the time of signing.

Point pace is a pretty big difference when you have only played 39 games.