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2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread

bustaheims said:
L K said:
He still needs to work on his offspeed pitch.  He's dominating because of his fastball/slider combination but he struggles to locate his offspeed pitch.  He's going to need that to have sustained success.
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Yeah. He?ll definitely struggle at the MLB level if he can?t locate all his pitches. The fastball-slider combo will be enough for him to survive, but not enough for him to fully realize his potential.
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Underhand changeup ought to do the trick (anyone remember Rookie of the Year?).
 
I really, really, really like Manoah.  He does have four pitches.  He throws both a 2-seam and 4-seam fastball.  He also has a very above average slider.  His changeup does have movement but he has a hard time getting it to hit his spots right now.  What is going to limit Manoah in the majors right now is that everything he throws right now is fast and he doesn't have a reliable offspeed pitch to mix up against hitters.  He also doesn't have a pitch to break on LHP and that is going to hurt him far more in the majors than any other level.

His slider has some phenomenal late breaking movement. 

This year might not be a good year to throw him to the wolves though as the baseball right now seems to be designed to be pretty favourable to pitchers.  The ball has been nerfed so far.
 
L K said:
I really, really, really like Manoah.  He does have four pitches.  He throws both a 2-seam and 4-seam fastball.  He also has a very above average slider.  His changeup does have movement but he has a hard time getting it to hit his spots right now.  What is going to limit Manoah in the majors right now is that everything he throws right now is fast and he doesn't have a reliable offspeed pitch to mix up against hitters.  He also doesn't have a pitch to break on LHP and that is going to hurt him far more in the majors than any other level.

His slider has some phenomenal late breaking movement. 

This year might not be a good year to throw him to the wolves though as the baseball right now seems to be designed to be pretty favourable to pitchers.  The ball has been nerfed so far.
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The guy is heading towards 24, what are we saving him for?  Guy is a beast and has confidence coming out his ying yang.  And after another bummer performance by Raw Striploin, we need something more
 
He's dominating and the Jays are thin in the rotation, I'd give him a shot.

If he can run with it, great.. if not he can go back down, no harm done.
 
Deebo said:
He's dominating and the Jays are thin in the rotation, I'd give him a shot.

If he can run with it, great.. if not he can go back down, no harm done.
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You say that but didn?t the Jays basically lose a year with Halladay? I remember he came up early and then somehow messed up his delivery and he had to be ?rebuilt? in the minors.
 
Joe S. said:
Deebo said:
He's dominating and the Jays are thin in the rotation, I'd give him a shot.

If he can run with it, great.. if not he can go back down, no harm done.
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You say that but didn?t the Jays basically lose a year with Halladay? I remember he came up early and then somehow messed up his delivery and he had to be ?rebuilt? in the minors.
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Halladay was passable in his first full year (1999) but then they had to send him down to AAA halfway through his second full season because he was awful.

Then he started 2001 all the way down in A+. After a few relief appearances at A+,5 starts at AA, and 2 at AAA, he was back in the majors and never looked back. 2000 was a lost year, but I don't know if that was because he was called up early.

Also, I'm not saying let Manoah get lit up for half a year. One start, if it works, give him another, if not go down. Like they did with Pearson.
 
Hope it works out for Manoah, after all the Pearson hype its refreshing that this guy is up without half the fanfare of poor Nate.
 
Not Jays, but I love galaxy brain baseball
https://twitter.com/i/status/1397965478027530246
Credit to Baez, but really... 1B, dude.
 
Just terrible lack of awareness there. If you can't get to him in one or two steps go straight to the bag. That's something that should have been drilled into them when they were kids.
 
Manoah walks his first batter on four pitches and then strikes out Odor and Judge. 

The reactions from his Mom are great
 
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