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2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread

One thing I will say about the Jays is they are not a good offensive team in late sitatuations.

7th inning or later and close (within 3 runs, tied or leading by 1 run) the Jays hitting splits are: .219/.291/.343/.634

That's the 4th worst OBP and 8th worst OPS in baseball.
 
The Jays go after another high ceiling pick by taking Gunnar Hoglund with the 19th pick. By all accounts would have been a top 10 pick if he didn't hurt his arm and need Tommy John surgery this year.
 
Nik said:
The Jays go after another high ceiling pick by taking Gunnar Hoglund with the 19th pick. By all accounts would have been a top 10 pick if he didn't hurt his arm and need Tommy John surgery this year.

With the farm system in pretty good shape based on most evaluations of I've read, glad they took the opportunity to swing for the fences rather than opting for a safer pick.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik said:
The Jays go after another high ceiling pick by taking Gunnar Hoglund with the 19th pick. By all accounts would have been a top 10 pick if he didn't hurt his arm and need Tommy John surgery this year.

With the farm system in pretty good shape based on most evaluations of I've read, glad they took the opportunity to swing for the fences rather than opting for a safer pick.

It?s a 10/10 name and yeah high reward pick.  Tommy John doesn?t mean much anymore.  A lot of guys end up getting it and sometimes even come back better after the surgery
 
bustaheims said:
Nik said:
The Jays go after another high ceiling pick by taking Gunnar Hoglund with the 19th pick. By all accounts would have been a top 10 pick if he didn't hurt his arm and need Tommy John surgery this year.

With the farm system in pretty good shape based on most evaluations of I've read, glad they took the opportunity to swing for the fences rather than opting for a safer pick.

I think taking the best college arm available was always the smart move given what the system is lacking and I'm with you in that they need to be aiming high and try to develop some front of the rotation guys.
 
I hope they can grab an outfield prospect or two with some upside.  That's probably the other place the organization is lacking in depth.  Auston Martin might still end up in CF instead of the infield but they really don't have any tantilizing OF prospects.

Focus on drafting BPA but I'd like to see them bolster their depth there this draft.
 
L K said:
I hope they can grab an outfield prospect or two with some upside.  That's probably the other place the organization is lacking in depth.  Auston Martin might still end up in CF instead of the infield but they really don't have any tantilizing OF prospects.

Focus on drafting BPA but I'd like to see them bolster their depth there this draft.

They don't pick again until 91 unfortunately but I agree that it's an area to look at both here and in signing international guys.
 
Well, through the first 10 rounds of the draft the Jays have taken 8 pitchers and just one position player. Of the 8 pitchers, 6 are college pitchers, one is a junior college pitcher and they took one high school pitcher.

In the 7th round they took an outfielder, so I guess LK got something.
 
Nik said:
Well, through the first 10 rounds of the draft the Jays have taken 8 pitchers and just one position player. Of the 8 pitchers, 6 are college pitchers, one is a junior college pitcher and they took one high school pitcher.

In the 7th round they took an outfielder, so I guess LK got something.
I know nothing of draft strategy in the MLB. Is this good or bad?
 
Bender said:
Nik said:
Well, through the first 10 rounds of the draft the Jays have taken 8 pitchers and just one position player. Of the 8 pitchers, 6 are college pitchers, one is a junior college pitcher and they took one high school pitcher.

In the 7th round they took an outfielder, so I guess LK got something.
I know nothing of draft strategy in the MLB. Is this good or bad?

It's probably similar to drafting 5 goalies in an NHL draft.  Which is better than walking to the podium and saying "decline".
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
It's probably similar to drafting 5 goalies in an NHL draft.  Which is better than walking to the podium and saying "decline".

That doesn?t really track for me. When it comes to the MLB draft, there aren?t great parallels to other leagues. The development cycle is quite a bit longer. Even the #1 overall picks usually take a couple seasons before they reach the show.

But, really, it comes down to this - teams always need pitching. Pitchers make up half of your roster. Pitching prospects are trade currency, and teams are much more willing to take a flier on long shot pitching prospect than a long shot bat. Unless you?re confident you?re getting a position player who has a good chance at being a full-time big leaguer - not necessarily an every day player, but at least someone who can provide value off the bench - you?re better off taking a pitcher.

College pitchers tend to be a little more easy to project and are more likely to approach their ceiling, whereas high school pitchers can often display a higher ceiling, but they tend to come with greater risk. You need a good balance of both in the system.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Bender said:
Nik said:
Well, through the first 10 rounds of the draft the Jays have taken 8 pitchers and just one position player. Of the 8 pitchers, 6 are college pitchers, one is a junior college pitcher and they took one high school pitcher.

In the 7th round they took an outfielder, so I guess LK got something.
I know nothing of draft strategy in the MLB. Is this good or bad?

It's probably similar to drafting 5 goalies in an NHL draft.  Which is better than walking to the podium and saying "decline".

It's probably more like drafting 5 centres in a NHL draft. For a team that has a Vezina winning goalie who's only 24 and the best young group of defensemen in the game.

The Jays right now are loaded with good, young, controllable position players. Their best prospects are probably also position players. Their pitching staff is a bit of a mess right now. Going pitching heavy probably makes sense in the draft. To this extent? No way to know but it's important to keep in mind that teams have other ways of adding prospects like signing international players.

Could they have bet on some high upside high school bats? Maybe but realistically from where they're drafting nobody is going to have a ton of upside or, if they do, they'll probably choose to go to college instead of sign and the pick would just roll over.
 
https://twitter.com/ABLichtenstein/status/1414669633773244418

Well, I'm rooting for this kid already.
 
Rob said:
I haven't followed baseball much for the past 27 years.  Are the Jays viewed as the Edmonton Oilers of MLB?

No, they signed the top Free Agent available before this season and the number 2 Free Agent pitcher before last season.
 
Rob said:
I haven't followed baseball much for the past 27 years.  Are the Jays viewed as the Edmonton Oilers of MLB?

The question of whether or not a high school player signs with the team who drafted them is less about the team and more about whether or not they think by attending college and re-entering the draft  later they can improve their draft position and get a bigger signing bonus.
 
https://twitter.com/ViewsOnThe6/status/1414695994881622022

Vladdy is getting the majority of the hype and it's well deserved but Bo, who just turned 23, is an insanely good young player.
 

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