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2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread

Nik said:
https://twitter.com/ViewsOnThe6/status/1414695994881622022

Vladdy is getting the majority of the hype and it's well deserved but Bo, who just turned 23, is an insanely good young player.

If he could cut out a chunk of the errors, he'd be fantastic.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Nik said:
https://twitter.com/ViewsOnThe6/status/1414695994881622022

Vladdy is getting the majority of the hype and it's well deserved but Bo, who just turned 23, is an insanely good young player.

If he could cut out a chunk of the errors, he'd be fantastic.

For what it's worth, Baseball Reference has him as being at 1.1 fielding WAR for those 162 games so hes still adding legit value defensively.
 
Nik said:
OldTimeHockey said:
Nik said:
https://twitter.com/ViewsOnThe6/status/1414695994881622022

Vladdy is getting the majority of the hype and it's well deserved but Bo, who just turned 23, is an insanely good young player.

If he could cut out a chunk of the errors, he'd be fantastic.

For what it's worth, Baseball Reference has him as being at 1.1 fielding WAR for those 162 games so hes still adding legit value defensively.

Guerrero Jr is listed as having a -0.7 at 1B.  Maybe its just the eye test but that seems way worse than what I have seen out of him there this year.  Definitely makes the odd mistake but he seems like he's been pulling a lot of throws out of the dirt.
 
L K said:
Guerrero Jr is listed as having a -0.7 at 1B.  Maybe its just the eye test but that seems way worse than what I have seen out of him there this year.  Definitely makes the odd mistake but he seems like he's been pulling a lot of throws out of the dirt.

-0.7 seems to be a fairly average mark for a 1B. Even the guys that are considered among the best defensive 1B in the game only have defensive WARs of around 0.3 or so.
 
bustaheims said:
L K said:
Guerrero Jr is listed as having a -0.7 at 1B.  Maybe its just the eye test but that seems way worse than what I have seen out of him there this year.  Definitely makes the odd mistake but he seems like he's been pulling a lot of throws out of the dirt.

-0.7 seems to be a fairly average mark for a 1B. Even the guys that are considered among the best defensive 1B in the game only have defensive WARs of around 0.3 or so.

Yeah, in fairness I really hadn't been looking at him in comparison to other players.  The defensive metrics at 1B seen odd.  I know 1B isn't where you tend to stick your best defensive players but the defensive metrics feel like they should be tied to comparing you relative to other players at your position rather than general zone efficiency.

Only 6 players have a positive Defensive Runs Saved metric at 1B.  Only 5 players have a UZR of zero or better.
 
It's tough to add a ton of value at 1st. It's pretty much all going to be based on the range you show so if you don't have a lot of difficult balls to play, you cant get graded as such. With a rotation heavy on LHP the Jays will face more right-handed hitters than most teams and so you'll get fewer sharply hit balls to first.
 
Highlander said:
Breaking news: TFC will play at BMO Field on Saturday.  If so, why aren't the Jays coming home?

1. It doesn't look like that's quite as done a deal as MLS suggests https://www.sportsnet.ca/mls/article/federal-government-still-reviewing-request-tfc-cf-montreal-play-canada/

2. It looks like MLS agreed that only vaccinated players would go(or at least that unvaccinated players would be subject to quarantine which makes it pointless for them to go) and it's doubtful MLB would do the same, or haven't yet at least.
 
Safe to say that Vlad Jr. is (easily) the best athlete in the city right now?  And without giving it much thought, could arguably become the greatest athlete this city has ever had?
 
Peter D. said:
Safe to say that Vlad Jr. is (easily) the best athlete in the city right now?  And without giving it much thought, could arguably become the greatest athlete this city has ever had?
In his respective sport? Yeah maybe. I do think Matthews scoring 41 in 52 is pretty wild though.
 
Peter D. said:
Safe to say that Vlad Jr. is (easily) the best athlete in the city right now?  And without giving it much thought, could arguably become the greatest athlete this city has ever had?

I don't know. If the season ended today my guess would be Vlad would finish second in MVP voting to Ohtani. Matthews finished second in MVP voting to McDavid. I'm really not sure how you'd determine who was the better athlete.
 
Bender said:
That seems really specific

It is and, to be sure, there are guys who have had better first 162 games but it's a pretty good picture of how complete an offensive he is at such a young age and how rare that is because while it's a lot of specific levels, they're all baselines for really good performance in that category. Nobody would argue with 30 HR being a certain standard of power hitting or 20 steals being the same for baserunning or a .300 average for contact hitting and on and on.
 
Nik said:
Bender said:
That seems really specific

It is and, to be sure, there are guys who have had better first 162 games but it's a pretty good picture of how complete an offensive he is at such a young age and how rare that is because while it's a lot of specific levels, they're all baselines for really good performance in that category. Nobody would argue with 30 HR being a certain standard of power hitting or 20 steals being the same for baserunning or a .300 average for contact hitting and on and on.

Thanks! That helped put things into context for me. I like baseball but don't have the stats in my head apart from .300 average being good  ;D
 
That's good. I don't know if they took any guys in the lower rounds who they'll need extra bonus money to sign but it's nice to have in the holster regardless.
 
Sad to see that all the goofing around at the All-Star game has really disrupted Vladdy's game.
 

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