2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

My guess is they are about $2-$2.5 million apart on an eight year deal.

I am guessing he wants 15% of the cap, like Matthews. That works out to $14.5 million a year.

 

[herman]

You have to be pretty willfully ignorant of The Darren Ferris Method to think the games are originating from the team side.

Sure some media members have subjective opinions about what they’re hearing, but by and large, they all tend to agree with one another regarding Marner-related contract dealings.

I’m generally pro player getting paid appropriately. If the guy wants to be with Toronto for the long haul at basically market value, you just have to look at how Matthews and Nylander handled it. This ain’t it.

 

[Guilt Trip]

You have to be pretty willfully ignorant of The Darren Ferris Method to think the games are originating from the team side.

Sure some media members have subjective opinions about what they’re hearing, but by and large, they all tend to agree with one another regarding Marner-related contract dealings.

I’m generally pro player getting paid appropriately. If the guy wants to be with Toronto for the long haul at basically market value, you just have to look at how Matthews and Nylander handled it. This ain’t it.

You mean the way 88 held out? You're right, this ain't it. Speaking of market value. You honestly believe 88 is worth more then Pasta? Funny you had no problem with 88 or 34 maximizing their value and even getting overpaid in 88's case, but if 16 is going to go to market to find out his value, it's a bad thing.
Again, Marner has not said anything other then wanting to be on the team. The Leafs have not said anything.
Please share a link that proves differently. Until then what the media says means nothing. CJ nevr said I have a source. He said my impression is..... So a guess, an opinion. Never have known the media to post things to get traffic.

 

[Bullfrog]

We know definitively that the Core5 as a group are not capable of playoff success.
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No, we don't.

 

[Bullfrog]

You mean the way 88 held out? You're right, this ain't it. Speaking of market value. You honestly believe 88 is worth more then Pasta? Funny you had no problem with 88 or 34 maximizing their value and even getting overpaid in 88's case, but if 16 is going to go to market to find out his value, it's a bad thing.
Again, Marner has not said anything other then wanting to be on the team. The Leafs have not said anything.
Please share a link that proves differently. Until then what the media says means nothing. CJ nevr said I have a source. He said my impression is..... So a guess, an opinion. Never have known the media to post things to get traffic.

Are you referring to when he held out almost seven years ago? And then proceeded to play above his contract value?

 

[Ozzie]

No, we don't.

LoL..... the best this Core5 have done is exactly that. 5 wins out of 16. And most seasons they only win 3 out of 16. After 8 years of that performance....we know.

It's not like one of those seasons they made it to the conference finals, or had a few seasons they made the second round. It's not even a sniff of success with these guys.

It's ok to dream otherwise. Or be in denial.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Are you referring to when he held out almost seven years ago? And then proceeded to play above his contract value?

Short memory? 88 was coming off a 61pt in 82 games when he signed for more than Pasta who was coming of 70 pts in 75 games before he signed his. Pasta has been at least a point per game player since the start of that deal. Willy was close to being a point per game guy in year 4, but wasn't until year 5. In the duration of their contracts Pasta has put up 494pts in 420 games. Willy 393 in 418 games.
Willy didn't play above his salary until year 4 and is nowhere near Pasta, yet when he signed his new deal last year, he got more then Pasta again. So Willy maxed out his value and you know what, all the power to him for maximizing his worth.

I personally don't care what any of them get paid but don't come with this angle that Marner isn't allowed to maximize his value like the 88 and 34 have. He shouldn't be held to a different standard where people are pissed off that he might not sign until the summer. Isn't that what most people wanted to begin with? Let's see what happens in the playoffs before signing any of them?
Well you might get your wish so stop whining.

 

[Bender]

The other thing is he's durable. I would've said he can't get over Matthews money but Matthews has a pretty good chunk of injury history already.

 

[cw]

I mean let’s be honest, none of us truly know what either side has said or is doing.

We had some idea - see the article below.

The Hockey News: ... May 6th, 2024 ...Mitch Marner Wants to Remain with Maple Leafs...

Marner stood in front of reporters at Ford Performance Center on Monday, he expressed his desire to remain in the city he was raised in.
"I mean, that would be a goal. I've expressed my love for this place, this city. Obviously, I've grown up here," Marner said when asked about his next contract with Toronto.
"We'll start thinking about that now and try to figure something out."

He added that those discussions, with his team, will likely begin sooner rather than later.
"I'm sure probably within the next week or so I'll start really thinking about that and hitting me. But, obviously, at this moment, I haven't thought about it at all," Marner said. "That will come up now, probably within the next week or so."

So in May, 2024, Marner seemed all set to have a dialogue on an extension shortly after the season ended.

But ...

Sportsnet: June 27th: Maple Leafs' Treliving identifies top priority as Mitch Marner rumours swirl

At Treliving's pre-draft availabilities last June, he spoke at length about how critical it was for the organization to lock up all-star forwards Auston Matthews and William Nylander to long-term extensions. (Mission accomplished.)
This time around, Treliving emphasized a much different priority — despite 99-point right wing Mitch Marner sitting in the same contractual position as his peers were a year ago.
"I don't think it's a secret: Our defence is an area we'd like to see if we can improve. Easier said than done," Treliving stated.
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Toronto is undoubtedly on the clock with Marner, whom Treliving has never publicly expressed a desire to re-sign.
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But not once since the Maple Leafs' first-round exit — their seventh led by Marner & Co. in eight years — has Treliving said anything along the lines of wanting to prioritize an extension for one of the sport's most dazzling wingers or envisioning Marner a Maple Leaf long term.

Treliving talked about evaluating a Marner trade - looking at all their options. -differently from Matthews & Nylander.

There was a lot of bashing of Marner. It went on for weeks before much was said from Treliving. They hung them out to dry on that rather than defending their player.

No, we can't know everything that occurred behind closed doors. But the contrast between how Matthews and Nylander contracts were handled and Marner's was quite obvious.

 

[Guilt Trip]

We had some idea - see the article below.

The Hockey News: ... May 6th, 2024 ...Mitch Marner Wants to Remain with Maple Leafs...


So in May, 2024, Marner seemed all set to have a dialogue on an extension shortly after the season ended.

But ...

Sportsnet: June 27th: Maple Leafs' Treliving identifies top priority as Mitch Marner rumours swirl


Treliving talked about evaluating a Marner trade - looking at all their options. -differently from Matthews & Nylander.

There was a lot of bashing of Marner. It went on for weeks before much was said from Treliving. They hung them out to dry on that rather than defending their player.

No, we can't know everything that occurred behind closed doors. But the contrast between how Matthews and Nylander contracts were handled and Marner's was quite obvious.

Very true. People were all over it and I think it was CJ or some other clown that said Marner is getting traded 100%. Lots of people saying you can't run it back again, he needs to go. The only little break came when Berube had a coffee with him and told the media he can't wait to work with him.