2024 Offseason Thread: Changes

[cw]

Deadline for qualifying offers is normally the Monday after the draft. But this year, it is tomorrow at 5pm.

Treliving told the media today that they would have something to say about it tomorrow. Maybe they've cut a deal.

If they sign two defensive top 4 dmen, they probably would want a right handed shot as an option for the PP in the 5-6 pairing.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Deadline for qualifying offers is normally the Monday after the draft. But this year, it is tomorrow at 5pm.

Treliving told the media today that they would have something to say about it tomorrow. Maybe they've cut a deal.

If they sign two defensive top 4 dmen, they probably would want a right handed shot as an option for the PP in the 5-6 pairing.

They have Timmins for PP2 if they want. Not sure about giving Liljegren the kind of money Sandin got. He's likely your 3rd pairing guy. I wouldn't mind 3M for him though but Leafs would have to get rid of Kampf and Jarnkrok. I think both a replaceable at a lower hit. It depends on Tanev deal too. Hate to lose Liljegren for nothing.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The one thing that really, really goes in Liljegren's favour in a potential arbitration hearing is his ice-time. I was pretty surprised to see that he averaged 19:40 a game this season, good for 4th on the team behind Rielly, Brodie, and McCabe. Klingberg was technically above him too at 20:33 but obviously only played 14 games. And he even saw his numbers increase later in the season. After February 1st he was averaging 20:16 a game.

Flip side is despite technically being top-4 in minutes he very rarely played in the actual top-4. And the spots in the top-4 that he did occupy at times were eventually lost to the likes of Simon Benoit and Ilya Lyubushkin. And of course the icing on the cake was he was eventually a scratch in a playoff game (although IIRC there's a chance that was at the very least somewhat partially health-related).

 

[cw]

Deadline for qualifying offers is normally the Monday after the draft. But this year, it is tomorrow at 5pm.

Treliving told the media today that they would have something to say about it tomorrow. Maybe they've cut a deal.

If they sign two defensive top 4 dmen, they probably would want a right handed shot as an option for the PP in the 5-6 pairing.

They have Timmins for PP2 if they want. Not sure about giving Liljegren the kind of money Sandin got. He's likely your 3rd pairing guy. I wouldn't mind 3M for him though but Leafs would have to get rid of Kampf and Jarnkrok. I think both a replaceable at a lower hit. It depends on Tanev deal too. Hate to lose Liljegren for nothing.

I didn't mind Sandin. He didn't really fit but I was sorry to see him go. I was pulling for him to do well for the Caps. He was at the top or near it in ES time for dmen there. He got a 5 year deal for $4.6 mil/yr. I wasn't prepared for that nor would I have happily paid that. I was a little shocked by it.

Liljegren is also a past 1st rounder and a year older. Nearly all his stats are better than when Sandin was here. Sandin's ice time grew substantially in Washington.

If we get two RH top 4 dmen at $4-5.x/yr, Liljegren is apparently looking at $3-4 mil/yr as a 5-6 dman after arbitration. I don't see how that can work with the Leafs cap.

Maybe Timmons is the answer. I sort of saw him as a 7th.

Looks like we'll find out tomorrow what they're going to do.

 

[herman]

https://x.com/mirtle/status/1807472428152701041

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Remember though, ufa's definitely can't talk to teams before noon tomorrow.

 

[herman]

Remember though, ufa's definitely can't talk to teams before noon tomorrow.

But their agents are not team affiliated

 

[princedpw]

Remember though, ufa's definitely can't talk to teams before noon tomorrow.

But their agents are not team affiliated

I am curious how you think this really works and how Mirtle would know the leafs are out on all top UFA defenders (and how even the leafs would know they are out).  It must be illegal to have an intermediary (such as an agent) negotiate on behalf of a player and team, no?  If they do it anyway, why trade for a guy?s negotiating rights ever?  I?m not sure I understand what could be happening.

 

[herman]

Remember though, ufa's definitely can't talk to teams before noon tomorrow.

But their agents are not team affiliated

I am curious how you think this really works and how Mirtle would know the leafs are out on all top UFA defenders (and how even the leafs would know they are out).  It must be illegal to have an intermediary (such as an agent) negotiate on behalf of a player and team, no?  If they do it anyway, why trade for a guy?s negotiating rights ever?  I?m not sure I understand what could be happening.

GM: I?ve got 6M in cap room for a key top pairing D man on the right side. Anyone in your portfolio fit that bill?

Agent: yeah I got a guy out on the west coast, but he likely isn?t looking to move east and into Canada unless he can get 7+.

GM: thanks, we?ll keep looking.

Agent: good luck! Oh hey does your roster need a bottom-6 energy winger?

 

[princedpw]

Remember though, ufa's definitely can't talk to teams before noon tomorrow.

But their agents are not team affiliated

I am curious how you think this really works and how Mirtle would know the leafs are out on all top UFA defenders (and how even the leafs would know they are out).  It must be illegal to have an intermediary (such as an agent) negotiate on behalf of a player and team, no?  If they do it anyway, why trade for a guy?s negotiating rights ever?  I?m not sure I understand what could be happening.

GM: I?ve got 6M in cap room for a key top pairing D man on the right side. Anyone in your portfolio fit that bill?

Agent: yeah I got a guy out on the west coast, but he likely isn?t looking to move east and into Canada unless he can get 7+.

GM: thanks, we?ll keep looking.

Agent: good luck! Oh hey does your roster need a bottom-6 energy winger?

Right.  ? I got a guy out on the west coast, but he likely isn?t looking to move east and into Canada unless he can get 7+.?  With so many possible players fitting that description, I can?t imagine who is being referred to.

Still, that discussion seems like clear tampering.

 

[bustaheims]

Remember though, ufa's definitely can't talk to teams before noon tomorrow.

But their agents are not team affiliated

I am curious how you think this really works and how Mirtle would know the leafs are out on all top UFA defenders (and how even the leafs would know they are out).  It must be illegal to have an intermediary (such as an agent) negotiate on behalf of a player and team, no?  If they do it anyway, why trade for a guy?s negotiating rights ever?  I?m not sure I understand what could be happening.

I mean, Mirtle could know the Leafs are out of the rest of the top D because they?ve decided to not pursue them, not necessarily because of any failed attempts at illegal negotiations. Or it could purely be a case of him doing the math and coming to that conclusion himself.

 

[herman]

It?s sort of obvious once the Leafs pivoted to seriously re-engaging Bertuzzi and Domi again, and the Tanev rights-trade.

 

[herman]

I would like to see some salary shedding moves for the players that no longer fit the GM?s/coach?s vision (and the ones he may have signed deemed a mistake). There should be some 3rd rd pick value in a few of them to spin them off to teams that might?ve struck out on depth players after day 1.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm still holding out hope for Roy, but yeah the rumblings don't seem to be for that.

 

[cw]

Remember though, ufa's definitely can't talk to teams before noon tomorrow.

But their agents are not team affiliated

I am curious how you think this really works and how Mirtle would know the leafs are out on all top UFA defenders (and how even the leafs would know they are out).  It must be illegal to have an intermediary (such as an agent) negotiate on behalf of a player and team, no?  If they do it anyway, why trade for a guy?s negotiating rights ever?  I?m not sure I understand what could be happening.

I mean, Mirtle could know the Leafs are out of the rest of the top D because they?ve decided to not pursue them, not necessarily because of any failed attempts at illegal negotiations. Or it could purely be a case of him doing the math and coming to that conclusion himself.

Both Dreger & Friedman naming Ekman-Larsson as a Leafs target was a sign for me.

The Domi signing before they've got their D settled  is another sign along with reports they're talking to Bertuzzi

I hate to bring this up but just because they traded for Tanev's rights doesn't mean they've got a deal. They only gave up a 7th and an unsigned player that was never going to crack their roster.

From the CRA Tavares battle, they may have a distinct tax disadvantage that is chilling their efforts.

I haven't heard significant rumblings with the Leafs for Roy, Pesce (seems Jersey bound), Montour, Carrier (Oilers?) or Walker. Looks like they're in on Zadorov (but at $5.5M/yr x 5?)
They have had some discussions with Edmundson.

I think Treliving has kicked tires on a heck of a lot of UFAs. I don't think it is from a lack of effort.

 

[Bender]

Remember though, ufa's definitely can't talk to teams before noon tomorrow.

But their agents are not team affiliated

I am curious how you think this really works and how Mirtle would know the leafs are out on all top UFA defenders (and how even the leafs would know they are out).  It must be illegal to have an intermediary (such as an agent) negotiate on behalf of a player and team, no?  If they do it anyway, why trade for a guy?s negotiating rights ever?  I?m not sure I understand what could be happening.

I mean, Mirtle could know the Leafs are out of the rest of the top D because they?ve decided to not pursue them, not necessarily because of any failed attempts at illegal negotiations. Or it could purely be a case of him doing the math and coming to that conclusion himself.

Both Dreger & Friedman naming Ekman-Larsson as a Leafs target was a sign for me.

The Domi signing before they've got their D settled  is another sign along with reports they're talking to Bertuzzi

I hate to bring this up but just because they traded for Tanev's rights doesn't mean they've got a deal. They only gave up a 7th and an unsigned player that was never going to crack their roster.

From the CRA Tavares battle, they may have a distinct tax disadvantage that is chilling their efforts.

I haven't heard significant rumblings with the Leafs for Roy, Pesce (seems Jersey bound), Montour, Carrier (Oilers?) or Walker. Looks like they're in on Zadorov (but at $5.5M/yr x 5?)
They have had some discussions with Edmundson.

I think Treliving has kicked tires on a heck of a lot of UFAs. I don't think it is from a lack of effort.

The CRA angle is only true if all other UFAs forego Canadian teams. Not a Leafs centric issue.

 

[herman]

https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1807517998246232239

 

[cw]

Remember though, ufa's definitely can't talk to teams before noon tomorrow.

But their agents are not team affiliated

I am curious how you think this really works and how Mirtle would know the leafs are out on all top UFA defenders (and how even the leafs would know they are out).  It must be illegal to have an intermediary (such as an agent) negotiate on behalf of a player and team, no?  If they do it anyway, why trade for a guy?s negotiating rights ever?  I?m not sure I understand what could be happening.

I mean, Mirtle could know the Leafs are out of the rest of the top D because they?ve decided to not pursue them, not necessarily because of any failed attempts at illegal negotiations. Or it could purely be a case of him doing the math and coming to that conclusion himself.

Both Dreger & Friedman naming Ekman-Larsson as a Leafs target was a sign for me.

The Domi signing before they've got their D settled  is another sign along with reports they're talking to Bertuzzi

I hate to bring this up but just because they traded for Tanev's rights doesn't mean they've got a deal. They only gave up a 7th and an unsigned player that was never going to crack their roster.

From the CRA Tavares battle, they may have a distinct tax disadvantage that is chilling their efforts.

I haven't heard significant rumblings with the Leafs for Roy, Pesce (seems Jersey bound), Montour, Carrier (Oilers?) or Walker. Looks like they're in on Zadorov (but at $5.5M/yr x 5?)
They have had some discussions with Edmundson.

I think Treliving has kicked tires on a heck of a lot of UFAs. I don't think it is from a lack of effort.

The CRA angle is only true if all other UFAs forego Canadian teams. Not a Leafs centric issue.

I don't think it is this broad:
"if all other UFAs forego Canadian teams"

If Tanev says "everything great except the taxes" to Toronto, that is one instance that affects the Leafs.

Another player or Tanev might say "I don't care about the taxes. I want to play in __________ (a CDN city)"

The CRA decision could affect all CDN teams and if it sticks, probably will if it isn't already. But it will be on a case by case basis until they figure another way around it (if their ruling is sustained)

 

[herman]

https://x.com/leafspr/status/1807521532824141902

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/leafspr/status/1807521532824141902

No real surprises here. Steeves was the only borderline one and Lily has of course already re-signed.

Not noted but it also assumes Lajoie and Petruzzelli were not qualified.