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2025-26 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

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Chances of winning a Cup range from 0.4% to less than 1%

Those numbers can change over the next 40+ games but they have to start soon.
Regardless, even if they improve, it is increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to perceive this team as a true contender.
They probably need to start looking further down the road to make their roster decisions for this season.
A lot of their older UFAs won't want to hang around for a rebuild.
 
I'm not sure what to make of Auston's postgame remarks. Number one, he made them — he didn't hide, which is good. He says he thinks the process was a lot better even if the result wasn't. But he didn't offer to take personal responsibility (the media people in the scrum sure aren't going to press him) for what I gather were some pretty bad plays at key moments.

But he is trying to keep a positive outlook (or says his is)/ What else can he say/do?
 
He said "I’d like that play back at the end of the second," which is about the closest I've heard him come to taking blame for something tangible.

From the replay, that play was a lot like the one by Robertson a few games ago. If the other team doesn't score, no one is talking about it. But both were somewhat risky plays to be making late in a period when the team is in a fragile state. At least Matthews got back to break up the initial rush - Knies didn't get back to deal with the eventual scorer. I still say he is fighting a lingering injury.

Of course, Woll should have stopped it anyway.
 
Chris said:
I thought it might be me, but I didn't watch last night and it sounds like they turned in another uninspiring performance.

I am tempted to put the game on tonight. In past years I would expect this to be a game where the Leafs show up and actually come out on top. However, I think this entire group - coaching staff and players - is too fragile right now. I expect another Edmonton-type game.
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I don't think I can even bring myself to watch, which I don't think has happened in my past 30-35 years of intent watching.

I'm not even sure who the brunt of this mess falls upon. While I don't think the criticism of Treliving is entirely unearned, is he responsible for Matthews, Rielly, Nylander and Knies looking absolutely awful for (most) parts of the season? Laughton was a solid 11-13 goal, 30-35 point player for years, who suddenly can't crack 20 points here. Carlo was acquired as a 28 yo, 6'5, "bonafide" 2nd pairing, RHD with 2 additional years of control on a very reasonable cap hit. On paper that seems like a great deal (particularly by comparison to other deadline deals). Why do these players come here and die?

Now, the fact that we have Trotsky's wet dream when it comes to wingers (ALL LEFTIES!); a bunch of big, non-mobile defensemen, and nothing to show for the Cap savings left by Marner's departure, makes me tend to believe that Treliving shouldn't be in control of turning this around. That being said, there is definitely a huge problem in the system and Berube, clearly, is not making any type of positive impact. Constantly outshot, unable to maintain puck possession and the inability to get shots on net. That is an awful hockey product.
 
Bill_Berg said:
If they manage to get a top five pick, what does the pick Boston owns defer to? Our 2027 first round pick?
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From Puck Pedia.....

It will slide to 2027. The 2027 pick goes to Philadelphia (as part of Laughton trade) if it is outside the top 10, which converts this pick to Boston to a 2028 unprotected 1st Round Pick. If this Pick slides to 2027 and is in the top 10, TOR can either transfer it to BOS to satisfy this trade and then give PHI the 2028 unprotected, or transfer it to PHI and give BOS the 2028 unprotected 1st Round Pick.
 
Bill_Berg said:
If they manage to get a top five pick, what does the pick Boston owns defer to? Our 2027 first round pick?
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And what sorta defensemen are available in the top 5?

I wish they’d shut things down for the balance of this season and try to retool. If Boston can do it, why not the Leafs?
 
mr grieves said:
And what sorta defensemen are available in the top 5?

I wish they’d shut things down for the balance of this season and try to retool. If Boston can do it, why not the Leafs?
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It does look like their are some defensemen coming up in the early draft slots..
 
If it was up to me I'd be trading McCabe, OEL, Roy and Laughton to start. And if Stolarz ever comes back I'd listen to what you can get for him.

For sure some playoff teams will pay a good price for those guys. Tank this season and hope for that high pick.

But I have absolutely no faith in Treliving to execute on this at all. I'm almost convinced he's going to try to salvage this season.
 
Early rumblings are no changes. Makes sense. Maybe they can increase ticket prices for 2026 instead
 
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Joe S. said:
If it was up to me I'd be trading McCabe, OEL, Roy and Laughton to start. And if Stolarz ever comes back I'd listen to what you can get for him.

For sure some playoff teams will pay a good price for those guys. Tank this season and hope for that high pick.

But I have absolutely no faith in Treliving to execute on this at all. I'm almost convinced he's going to try to salvage this season.
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We need a GM with the DNA to retool/rebuild. :)

I think they need a rebuild because retooling with a bunch of 30 year olds is not likely to get very far.
Trade deadline prices are nuts. We know first hand from all our prospects and draft picks going for rentals.
They could take their time and roll the roster over some.
 
The sad part is that if they rebuild the very best you could hope for is that they bat 1.000 on a bunch of top 10 picks, that is, all of which pan out, over the next X years (Matthews, Marner, Rielly yes Rielly, Nylander) and then you'd be back where we were when it all looked so bright 8 or 9 years ago. At best.

Here's how I'm looking at this: I got to see Sundin and his teams play. I got to see the Core 4 play all kinds of superfun hockey. I very likely won't live long enough to see anything nearly this good again.

I'm grateful for all the fabulous regular season hockey I got to see. Lots of fans don't even get to see that.
 
cw said:
We need a GM with the DNA to retool/rebuild. :)

I think they need a rebuild because retooling with a bunch of 30 year olds is not likely to get very far.
Trade deadline prices are nuts. We know first hand from all our prospects and draft picks going for rentals.
They could take their time and roll the roster over some.
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Competent management can go a long way. I think they’ve been skittish where they should’ve been patient (picks and prospects after they got Matthews and decided every year was “the year”), and waaay too slow where they needed to act decisively (jettisoning Keefe and trading one of 3 stars before all the NMCs kicked in). That’s mostly on Shanahan, but I don’t trust Treliving to fix anything. Id want ownership to empower someone who’s spent a lot of time around one of the good programs
 
ZBBM said:
The sad part is that if they rebuild the very best you could hope for is that they bat 1.000 on a bunch of top 10 picks, that is, all of which pan out, over the next X years (Matthews, Marner, Rielly yes Rielly, Nylander) and then you'd be back where we were when it all looked so bright 8 or 9 years ago. At best.

Here's how I'm looking at this: I got to see Sundin and his teams play. I got to see the Core 4 play all kinds of superfun hockey. I very likely won't live long enough to see anything nearly this good again.

I'm grateful for all the fabulous regular season hockey I got to see. Lots of fans don't even get to see that.
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I saw them win the 4 Cups in the 60s. Back then it seemed like an expected Devine right as a Torontonian that we would win our share of Cups - so we probably didn't appreciate them as much. For me, at that age, it quickly evolved to playing the game was a heck of a lot more fun than watching it. I do not remember the '60s playoffs as well as more recent ones even though I saw every game - some in person. Some particular memories of them are vivid, for example, what a player looked like or Keon's backhand on a shorthanded goal but not so much the games themselves.
We idolized Keon and celebrated the Cup wins but I can honestly say things like this are as much or more memorable:
Team Canada '72
Lanny McDonald scoring to beat the Islanders in OT
Darryl Sittler's captaincy - standing up to Harold Ballard
Roger Neilson's teams
Borje Salming
Pat Burns' teams
Wendel Clark
Doug Gilmour behind the net on Cujo or his '93 season - a better season than many Cup winning players had
Borschevsky's goal to beat the Wings
Pat Quinn's teams
Sundin & his 500th
the Core 4
etc, etc

The thing I would most like to see are Leafs fans celebrating a Cup win.
I recall the '60s parades but a parade today would be a 1000 fold more - the city would erupt.

Sundin and Salming were the two best Leafs I ever saw and you saw Sundin.
Maybe I saw more of it but I think what you saw was arguably as special as anything I saw
 
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