Bernier traded to Anaheim

[L K]

I mean, much like Reimer, I'm not fussed as Bernier clearly wasn't cutting it as the outright #1 that we wanted.  Depending on the conditions of the pick though I'm not all that thrilled that we traded Berner + 1st + 2nd for Andersen

Bernier - 27 years old - 3 years - 151 games - 2.80 GAA - .915 SV% - 6 shutouts
Andersen - 26 years old - 3 years - 125 games - 2.33 GAA - .918 SV% - 6 shutouts

If anything that makes me more disappointed in the cost of the trade.  Bernier's warts and all, he played on a worse team than Andersen over the last 3 seasons and the age gap isn't big enough to declare Andersen as much more of a proven commodity.  At least not to declare a 5-year contract.

 

[cabber24]

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

 

[Zee]

Geez

 

[Zee]

Caryle and Bernier reunited

 

[Kin]

I hope the pick is something. I wouldn't have moved Bernier just for the sake of clearing cap space. Especially since his value is at it's lowest.

I can't imagine it's much, though. This was probably negotiated as part of the Andersen trade as a sort of contingency if the Leafs couldn't move Bernier for something of value - which would mean that part of the price the Leafs paid was to compensate the Ducks for taking on Bernier's cap hit.

I don't really buy though that if the Leafs have already paid 2 million of Bernier's salary that Anaheim is really doing something out of the way here that deserves compensation. They're getting a decent enough 1B option at 2 million and a bit.

 

[Tigger]

I think this is just a continuation of 'out with the old', giving the team a fresh start with a new goaltending group.

 

[bustaheims]

Well, there's your cap room problem solved for the time being.

Yes and no. With my rough estimates for the 3 RFA defencemen (I gave all 3 of them $750K contracts - which is probably too low, really) and $1M for a backup goalie, with a projected lineup that doesn't include Holland, but does include the 3 RFA dmen, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Soshnikov, and Zaitsev, the Leafs are still roughly $1.75M over the cap right now (not including any performance bonuses). They're in reasonable shape if the Cowen situation is resolved in their favour, though.

 

[maplesyrup]

Pretty sure the Leafs don't actually have a cap problem at all in that they know exactly where they are, where they need to be, and how to get there.

 

[TBLeafer]

Nonis.... leads to Carlyle... leads to Bernier. 

 

[Zee]

Pretty sure the Leafs don't actually have a cap problem at all in that they know exactly where they are, where they need to be, and how to get there.

Everyone pointing to the cap on July 8 while there's still tons of moves the Leafs can make.  Bernier trade came out of nowhere (as usual per this management group).  I'm sure they'll be other moves to surprise and delight this fanbase.

 

[Frank E]

Well, there's your cap room problem solved for the time being.

Yes and no. With my rough estimates for the 3 RFA defencemen (I gave all 3 of them $750K contracts - which is probably too low, really) and $1M for a backup goalie, with a projected lineup that doesn't include Holland, but does include the 3 RFA dmen, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Soshnikov, and Zaitsev, the Leafs are still roughly $1.75M over the cap right now (not including any performance bonuses). They're in reasonable shape if the Cowen situation is resolved in their favour, though.

You're right, I forgot about the Cowen thing.  Did they determine a date for the hearing?

 

[bustaheims]

Pretty sure the Leafs don't actually have a cap problem at all in that they know exactly where they are, where they need to be, and how to get there.

They don't have a problem in terms of having to face penalties for being over the cap to start the season, since they'll have a lot of LTIR space available. They're still in position for potential overage complications. Depending on how their arbitration cases work out, they'll need to make another salary clearing move to avoid that, even if the Cowen situation works out in their favour - unless they plan on keeping Nylander, Marner, Matthews, and Zaitsev off the roster most of the season (which seems unlikely).

 

[Zee]

Well, there's your cap room problem solved for the time being.

Yes and no. With my rough estimates for the 3 RFA defencemen (I gave all 3 of them $750K contracts - which is probably too low, really) and $1M for a backup goalie, with a projected lineup that doesn't include Holland, but does include the 3 RFA dmen, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Soshnikov, and Zaitsev, the Leafs are still roughly $1.75M over the cap right now (not including any performance bonuses). They're in reasonable shape if the Cowen situation is resolved in their favour, though.

You're right, I forgot about the Cowen thing.  Did they determine a date for the hearing?

According to Elliote Freedman on June 30th:

"On Jared Cowen, hearing NHL & NHLPA began an arbitration case yesterday to determine whether or not TOR can buy him out..."

 

[herman]

Luckily for the Ducks: Nonis, Carlyle, Bernier, and Raymond have a great history of success together.
? Platinum Seat Ghosts (@3rdPeriodSuits) July 8, 2016

Underrated hilarious thing:
The Ducks just tied up more money in someone other than Hampus Lindholm.
? Platinum Seat Ghosts (@3rdPeriodSuits) July 8, 2016

 

[bustaheims]

Did they determine a date for the hearing?

From what I can tell, they've already presented their case to an arbitrator. No timeline on when to expect a decisions, though.

 

[herman]

http://www.rosterresource.com/nhl-free-agent-goalies-2016/

 

[mr grieves]

I mean, much like Reimer, I'm not fussed as Bernier clearly wasn't cutting it as the outright #1 that we wanted.  Depending on the conditions of the pick though I'm not all that thrilled that we traded Berner + 1st + 2nd for Andersen

Bernier - 27 years old - 3 years - 151 games - 2.80 GAA - .915 SV% - 6 shutouts
Andersen - 26 years old - 3 years - 125 games - 2.33 GAA - .918 SV% - 6 shutouts

If anything that makes me more disappointed in the cost of the trade.  Bernier's warts and all, he played on a worse team than Andersen over the last 3 seasons and the age gap isn't big enough to declare Andersen as much more of a proven commodity.  At least not to declare a 5-year contract.

Agreed with all this, though I'm a bit more by the contract as I am the trade. I look at Andersen's number, which don't look much different than Bernier's, and wonder What if we'd signed Bernier to a 5mx5 deal 2 years back? I mean, they must think they know something, but Andersen's still a "consistently" (in small samples) slight above league average goalie. They're voodoo.

 

[maplesyrup]

Pretty sure the Leafs don't actually have a cap problem at all in that they know exactly where they are, where they need to be, and how to get there.

They don't have a problem in terms of having to face penalties for being over the cap to start the season, since they'll have a lot of LTIR space available. They're still in position for potential overage complications. Depending on how their arbitration cases work out, they'll need to make another salary clearing move to avoid that, even if the Cowen situation works out in their favour - unless they plan on keeping Nylander, Marner, Matthews, and Zaitsev off the roster most of the season (which seems unlikely).

Just saying I'm sure they know that and it'll all unfold before us in the coming weeks. Sometimes I feel Leaf fans are guilty sometimes of manufacturing problems that don't actually exist.

 

[maplesyrup]

One too many "sometimes " there... Won't let me edit... Sorry for the poor grammar.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

http://www.rosterresource.com/nhl-free-agent-goalies-2016/

That's a pretty terrible list. It's basically Enroth or bust. We might end up having to trade for somebody.