bustaheims
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LuncheonMeat said:
The guys on PTOs will only make the team if other players are moved out if the organization. There isn't contract space for them otherwise. They're not really in the fight right now.
Brad Boyes PTO
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The guys on PTOs will only make the team if other players are moved out if the organization. There isn't contract space for them otherwise. They're not really in the fight right now.
bustaheims
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RedLeaf said:
I'm not sure how a group of mediocre veterans will help a team severely lacking in talent be anything more than a team severely lacking in talent. Hard work only gets you so far.
Redleaf
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bustaheims said:
I'm not sure either, but I suspect they will help secure more 'W's being on the team than if they are not. If they don't/can't help, than what kind of return can we hope for at the trade deadline? And what is Leafs braintrust thinking by giving them PTO's? We certainly don't need them to fill out roster spots. We have more than enough players to do that already.
bustaheims
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RedLeaf said:
It's not that they can't help a team win, it's that they're not going to help this team win. To do that, they'd have to play at a level well above what they've done before and in roles they're not suit for. They'll still be better options that what some contending teams have on their 3rd or 4th lines, or whoever they have filling in for injured players. They're role players, and contending teams are always looking to add those types. They provide quality depth to those teams, but, to the Leafs, they're not depth, they're being asked to take on significant roles. Their presence in those roles just further emphasizes how talent poor the Leafs are. Talent poor teams don't rack up many Ws - no matter how experienced they may be.
Well, the PTO this is pretty easy to explain. It doesn't cost anything. It gives them a few extra bodies for the first few exhibition games, and it's a generous move to help the players find work elsewhere. It gives them an opportunity to show that they can still contribute. This was a terrible summer to be a free agent, so guys that would have been snapped up in other years need that extra help this year. Without trades, these guys aren't making the Leafs. There isn't contract room for them. The front office knows that. Unless they're close to a couple deals, they didn't bring these guys in so they could fight for a spot on the Leafs. They're doing these guys a favour and building some good will.
Kin
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RedLeaf said:
Right...but what I suppose I don't understand is who exactly you think Boyes or one of the other PTO's would be making the team over if they did make the team. As it looks now even without any PTO making the team there won't be many young players actually in the line-up outside of guys like Rielly or Kadri who will make the team regardless. If someone like Boyes makes the team it'll probably be at the expense of someone like Frattin or Arcobello who, while younger, aren't exactly young players.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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A little look at Boyes and Lupul.
http://thehockeywriters.com/brad-boyes-vs-joffrey-lupul-statistical-analysis/
The writer oversells it, there is little doubt Boyes is better defensively though, he's going to be significantly cheaper and he has above average scoring ability.
Lupul's contract and injuries hold him back, when healthy and on form he can tear teams apart.
I wonder what the deal is with Boyes though? Attitude perhaps?
It's hard to believe a guy with his skillset has been moved around so much.
http://thehockeywriters.com/brad-boyes-vs-joffrey-lupul-statistical-analysis/
The writer oversells it, there is little doubt Boyes is better defensively though, he's going to be significantly cheaper and he has above average scoring ability.
Lupul's contract and injuries hold him back, when healthy and on form he can tear teams apart.
I wonder what the deal is with Boyes though? Attitude perhaps?
It's hard to believe a guy with his skillset has been moved around so much.
Patrick said:
I've always been under the impression that Boyes attitude is less that palatable, but that is just piecing together little clips about him from when he was first traded away from the Leafs. That might not be the case at all though as his attitude may have changed since then. If it's not his attitude, then I really don't know why he has moved around so much. Possibly a case of demanding too much money in one city or another. Possibly a bad agent.
Kin
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I don't think there's a big mystery. He got dealt a few times as a prospect because he was valuable. He got dealt by Boston as their team crumbled and they traded away half of their team. In St. Louis he got pushed out because they had 4 or 5 comparably good wingers younger than he was.
Since then he's become part of the NHL's middle class. The guys who are existing on year to year deals and bounce around. I think there are more of those players than we think.
Since then he's become part of the NHL's middle class. The guys who are existing on year to year deals and bounce around. I think there are more of those players than we think.
L K
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NHL.com says it's official
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=780748
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=780748
dappleganger
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Woohoo! Finally! Brad Boyes playing for the Leafs!
Makes sense, he was definitely the most deserving. Played a lot with Holland in training camp and in preseason games. So I'm guessing we've got 3 pairs of forwards that Babcock will be using for a bit: JVR-Bozak, Lupul-Kadri, Boyes-Holland.
Highlander
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Finally another person who think Owen Nolan was a disaster, would rather have had Boyes and McCauley all those years. Even though McCauley was ruined by that major concussion.