maplesyrup
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So then if I'm Nonis, I don't include Gardiner (and likely don't get Luongo) and hope for the best with the understanding I could be fired in short order.
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OldTimeHockey
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Beowulf said:If this has anything to do with the Luongo deal I'll be pretty pissed.
If it does, well then I guess it's going to be fantastic to be stuck with an overrated, overpaid goalie :
Although I'm unsold on giving up the farm for Luongo, how do you figure he's overrated?
If what McClown 
is saying is true, then God help Leafs Nation. We don't need some stiffs up at Rogers/Bell running this show. I, for one, was shocked at this whole thing and think that we are heading in the wrong direction if this is really what went down. It took us years to rid ourselves of Peddie/JFJ. This will be just JFJ2 if ownership drives the moves. I hope Nonis has the balls to fight back when deals don't make sense eg. Gardiner + Kadri for Luong.
is saying is true, then God help Leafs Nation. We don't need some stiffs up at Rogers/Bell running this show. I, for one, was shocked at this whole thing and think that we are heading in the wrong direction if this is really what went down. It took us years to rid ourselves of Peddie/JFJ. This will be just JFJ2 if ownership drives the moves. I hope Nonis has the balls to fight back when deals don't make sense eg. Gardiner + Kadri for Luong.
bustaheims
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Wendel's Fist said:
No. I'm saying that I know just as much of what really happened with Burke as McCowan does - nothing. Burke would never share that kind of information with anyone, nor would any of the members of the board. Where exactly then does McCowan get confirmation of this supposed conversation?
#1PilarFan
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So is there any news on who will take over as president? MLSE did the right thing handing over the executive roles to sports guys (Burke, BC) even if it blew up in their face. I hope they don't make Anselmi or some other non-hockey guy president.
I'm going to jump in on this one.OldTimeHockey said:Beowulf said:If this has anything to do with the Luongo deal I'll be pretty pissed.
If it does, well then I guess it's going to be fantastic to be stuck with an overrated, overpaid goalie :
Although I'm unsold on giving up the farm for Luongo, how do you figure he's overrated?
Luongo has proven that his play cracks under pressure. He's gotten benched in the playoffs 2 years in a row and in 2010 Canada won in spite of him not because of him. Remember the 2011 playoffs, when he gave up 15 goals in the 3 Stanley Cup final games in Boston? Also consider the fact that he's 33 and his statistics declined last year to the point where he was only in the middle of the pack (16th in GAA, 12th in SV%).
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bustaheims said:
For you to say that you know that McCown knows nothing, is the same thing as McCown supposedly making things up.
You have no proof of what he knows about what happened with Burke other than what you think he knows and really, doesn't that go against your own signature?
OldTimeHockey
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Justin said:
If the above was true, why would Burke stay on as an Advisor or whatever his role is? He doesn't owe the team anything and is going to get paid for the remainder of his contract. It just doesn't make sense to continue working for an organization where ownership has apparently told you to f'off because they want to tell you how to do your job.
OldTimeHockey
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Justin said:
You do know what overrated means right Justin? Overpaid, sure...but overrated? Would he of been demoted to backup if he was overrated? Would Canuck fans be chasing him out of town if he was overrated?
I'm not going to get into this too much as a very similar discussion is going on over in the Luongo thread, but at least explain to me why he's overrated, not overpaid.
bustaheims
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Wendel's Fist said:
Well, sure, except I'm not the one making up facts here. I really don't see how McCowan would be privy to information from a private conversation of this magnitude. It's damaging to everyone involved if it comes out. If it was true, Nonis wouldn't be sticking around either, nor would any of the other veteran hockey guys Burke brought in. If management was meddling to the point where they threatened Burke's job if he didn't acquire a specific player, they all would have quit knowing full well they'd have an easy time getting jobs elsewhere. I don't doubt that someone told McCowan that this conversation went down, I just don't believe for one second that this person is anywhere close to connected enough to it to be true.
OldTimeHockey said:Beowulf said:If this has anything to do with the Luongo deal I'll be pretty pissed.
If it does, well then I guess it's going to be fantastic to be stuck with an overrated, overpaid goalie :
Although I'm unsold on giving up the farm for Luongo, how do you figure he's overrated?
He's not over-rated now but he will, by most projections, in Year's 5,6,7,8,9, and 10 of his tenure with the Leafs.
OldTimeHockey
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bustaheims said:
And like I said, why would Burke stay on with an Organization that did that to him.
OldTimeHockey
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lamajama said:OldTimeHockey said:Beowulf said:If this has anything to do with the Luongo deal I'll be pretty pissed.
If it does, well then I guess it's going to be fantastic to be stuck with an overrated, overpaid goalie :
Although I'm unsold on giving up the farm for Luongo, how do you figure he's overrated?
He's not over-rated now but he will, by most projections, in Year's 5,6,7,8,9, and 10 of his tenure with the Leafs.
Nope, then he'll just continue to be overpaid.
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If found that a bit funny after listening to Anselmi on McCowan's show, he says they essentially fired Burke because he's a blowhard and somebody upstairs doesn't like him, but he (Burke) stays on to "advise" some of the suits that don't like him and he also says to advise himself (Anselmi).
I don't think they will like the kind of advise they will receive from Burke.
I don't think they will like the kind of advise they will receive from Burke.
It wasn't long ago that Luongo was considered an elite goaltender. Some people still think that. I'm simply saying, wait a second here, we're not exactly getting all-star here. It's all moot though because of his contract. IMO, his contract should start and end the discussion of Luongo becoming a Leaf.OldTimeHockey said:
bustaheims
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OldTimeHockey said:
That too. Nothing McCowan is saying stands up to the smell test here, as far as I'm concerned. There are just too many holes to be poked in it.
OldTimeHockey said:
To keep his $3 mil a year coming because otherwise if he opens his mouth
he could get his contract dumped? I know that would be a legal battle and PR problem but obviously that means zippo to MLSE. I do realize that Burke will get his dough anyway so my comment is mostly tongue-in-cheek....
In all likelihood Burke will not have to lift a finger or exercise a jaw to be "a special advisor"....which means little as he's advising not to get Luongo.