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So then if I'm Nonis, I don't include Gardiner (and likely don't get Luongo) and hope for the best with the understanding I could be fired in short order.
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Beowulf said:If this has anything to do with the Luongo deal I'll be pretty pissed.
If it does, well then I guess it's going to be fantastic to be stuck with an overrated, overpaid goalie :
Surely even the MLSE suits aren't even as stupid as to want Luongo for that price. Trading our 2 best prospects for one of the worst contracts in the NHL is a real smart move :Rob L said:So then if I'm Nonis, I don't include Gardiner (and likely don't get Luongo) and hope for the best with the understanding I could be fired in short order.
Wendel's Fist said:McCown has had Brian Burke over for lunch. You read twitter accounts from reporters.
Are you really saying that you know more about what might have happened with Burke than McCown would?
I'm going to jump in on this one.OldTimeHockey said:Beowulf said:If this has anything to do with the Luongo deal I'll be pretty pissed.
If it does, well then I guess it's going to be fantastic to be stuck with an overrated, overpaid goalie :
Although I'm unsold on giving up the farm for Luongo, how do you figure he's overrated?
Anselmi is the guy that, if you've been paying attention, oversaw the abject failure that is the Toronto FC. They just hired their 8th coach in 7 years.#1PilarFan said:So is there any news on who will take over as president? MLSE did the right thing handing over the executive roles to sports guys (Burke, BC) even if it blew up in their face. I hope they don't make Anselmi or some other non-hockey guy president.
bustaheims said:Wendel's Fist said:McCown has had Brian Burke over for lunch. You read twitter accounts from reporters.
Are you really saying that you know more about what might have happened with Burke than McCown would?
No. I'm saying that I know just as much of what really happened with Burke as McCowan does - nothing. Burke would never share that kind of information with anyone, nor would any of the members of the board. Where exactly then does McCowan get confirmation of this supposed conversation?
Justin said:Bob Mccown just reiterated what he said earlier: (paraphrasing)
"I am 100% sure the Canucks asked for Kadri and Gardiner in exchange for Roberto Luongo. Even a senior executive said to Burke 'you have to get Luongo to make the playoffs and if you won't make the playoffs you'll be gone.' Brian said 'I won't do it because I think it's the wrong thing to do for this team.'"
Justin said:Luongo has proven that his play cracks under pressure. He's gotten benched in the playoffs 2 years in a row and in 2010 Canada won in spite of him not because of him. Remember the 2011 playoffs, when he gave up 15 goals in the 3 Stanley Cup final games in Boston? Also consider the fact that he's 33 and his statistics declined last year to the point where he was only in the middle of the pack (16th in GAA, 12th in SV%).
Wendel's Fist said:You have no proof of what he knows about what happened with Burke other than what you think he knows and really, doesn't that go against your own signature?
OldTimeHockey said:Beowulf said:If this has anything to do with the Luongo deal I'll be pretty pissed.
If it does, well then I guess it's going to be fantastic to be stuck with an overrated, overpaid goalie :
Although I'm unsold on giving up the farm for Luongo, how do you figure he's overrated?
bustaheims said:Wendel's Fist said:You have no proof of what he knows about what happened with Burke other than what you think he knows and really, doesn't that go against your own signature?
Well, sure, except I'm not the one making up facts here. I really don't see how McCowan would be privy to information from a private conversation of this magnitude. It's damaging to everyone involved if it comes out. If it was true, Nonis wouldn't be sticking around either, nor would any of the other veteran hockey guys Burke brought in. If management was meddling to the point where they threatened Burke's job if he didn't acquire a specific player, they all would have quit knowing full well they'd have an easy time getting jobs elsewhere. I don't doubt that someone told McCowan that this conversation went down, I just don't believe for one second that this person is anywhere close to connected enough to it to be true.
lamajama said:OldTimeHockey said:Beowulf said:If this has anything to do with the Luongo deal I'll be pretty pissed.
If it does, well then I guess it's going to be fantastic to be stuck with an overrated, overpaid goalie :
Although I'm unsold on giving up the farm for Luongo, how do you figure he's overrated?
He's not over-rated now but he will, by most projections, in Year's 5,6,7,8,9, and 10 of his tenure with the Leafs.
It wasn't long ago that Luongo was considered an elite goaltender. Some people still think that. I'm simply saying, wait a second here, we're not exactly getting all-star here. It's all moot though because of his contract. IMO, his contract should start and end the discussion of Luongo becoming a Leaf.OldTimeHockey said:Justin said:Luongo has proven that his play cracks under pressure. He's gotten benched in the playoffs 2 years in a row and in 2010 Canada won in spite of him not because of him. Remember the 2011 playoffs, when he gave up 15 goals in the 3 Stanley Cup final games in Boston? Also consider the fact that he's 33 and his statistics declined last year to the point where he was only in the middle of the pack (16th in GAA, 12th in SV%).
You do know what overrated means right Justin? Overpaid, sure...but overrated? Would he of been demoted to backup if he was overrated? Would Canuck fans be chasing him out of town if he was overrated?
I'm not going to get into this too much as a very similar discussion is going on over in the Luongo thread, but at least explain to me why he's overrated, not overpaid.
OldTimeHockey said:And like I said, why would Burke stay on with an Organization that did that to him.
OldTimeHockey said:bustaheims said:Wendel's Fist said:You have no proof of what he knows about what happened with Burke other than what you think he knows and really, doesn't that go against your own signature?
Well, sure, except I'm not the one making up facts here. I really don't see how McCowan would be privy to information from a private conversation of this magnitude. It's damaging to everyone involved if it comes out. If it was true, Nonis wouldn't be sticking around either, nor would any of the other veteran hockey guys Burke brought in. If management was meddling to the point where they threatened Burke's job if he didn't acquire a specific player, they all would have quit knowing full well they'd have an easy time getting jobs elsewhere. I don't doubt that someone told McCowan that this conversation went down, I just don't believe for one second that this person is anywhere close to connected enough to it to be true.
And like I said, why would Burke stay on with an Organization that did that to him.