Carlyle Extended/Randy's Revenge

[TML fan]

1) Let other team have puck
2) ?? ?? ??
3) PROFIT!!!

The Leafs are good on the rush, and you can't be on the rush if you already have the puck in their zone. BOOM LOGIC BOMB.

Hold on while I wipe brain goo off my screen.

 

[Rebel_1812]

So on a possession level, if you take Wilson's tenure with the Leafs (2008-09 to March 2, 2012) the Leafs' CF% over that time at 5v5 is 50.1%.  If you look at the period from when Kessel debuted (Nov. 3, 2009) until Wilson was fired, that number is 49.8%.  From when Phaneuf debuted to when he was fired, 48.8%.

From when Carlyle was hired until now, the number is 44%.

Those numbers are from war-on-ice.com btw, since they allow you to look at date ranges.

Yeah but the leafs made the playoffs under carlyle and they didn't under wilson.  That stat is more important then possession numbers.

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah but the leafs made the playoffs under carlyle and they didn't under wilson.  That stat is more important then possession numbers.

The Leafs have had top flight goaltending under Carlyle, and had worst in the league goaltending under Wilson. That's what made the difference there. If Wilson's teams had Carlyle's goaltending, they would have made the playoffs easily. Carlyle making the playoffs in a shortened season thanks to unsustainable shooting percentages and Vezina calibre goaltending does not to absolve him of everything else.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Yeah but the leafs made the playoffs under carlyle and they didn't under wilson.  That stat is more important then possession numbers.

The Leafs have had top flight goaltending under Carlyle, and had worst in the league goaltending under Wilson. That's what made the difference there. If Wilson's teams had Carlyle's goaltending, they would have made the playoffs easily.

And if Wilson had a 48 game season he would have made the playoffs.  Leafs have been in a playoff position multiple times after 48 games.

 

[Highlander]

Lets change the system for 48 games.

 

[ZBBM]

Babcock is not the answer. Compete level enhancement is the answer and Carlyle already is on the case.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Really hope we see better lineup usage tonight.  Seems like Carlyle's reverting to all his old lineup habits that we were told he wouldn't.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Really hope we see better lineup usage tonight.  Seems like Carlyle's reverting to all his old lineup habits that we were told he wouldn't.

I'm guessing the top line will be wearing their collective lead boots tonight after how much they played last night.  Hopefully I'm wrong, but I fear this one could be ugly.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Really hope we see better lineup usage tonight.  Seems like Carlyle's reverting to all his old lineup habits that we were told he wouldn't.

On the brightside at least they haven't called up Orr (yet).

 

[ZBBM]

I'll reiterate my prediction in the GDT: tonight was Carlyle's last game as coach.  He'll be fired tomorrow or Monday.  Why?

1.  Particularly embarrassing loss
2.  Win streak now shown to be mirage
3.  MTL gains first place while we teeter on brink of falling out of playoffs
4.  Going back home, and 3 days before next game
5.  Ex-head coach on staff to keep seat warm rest of season

All these make it easier for Shanahan to pull the trigger.  He then can see what Phaneuf, Kessel, and other lightning rods do under new management, and can reassess whether the core really is as flawed as many of us think it is.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'll reiterate my prediction in the GDT: tonight was Carlyle's last game as coach.  He'll be fired tomorrow or Monday.  Why?

1.  Particularly embarrassing loss
2.  Win streak now shown to be mirage
3.  MTL gains first place while we teeter on brink of falling out of playoffs
4.  Going back home, and 3 days before next game
5.  Ex-head coach on staff to keep seat warm rest of season

All these make it easier for Shanahan to pull the trigger.  He then can see what Phaneuf, Kessel, and other lightning rods do under new management, and can reassess whether the core really is as flawed as many of us think it is.

Annoying thing is that I don't think Montreal's roster is much better than the Leafs'.

 

[moon111]

I would at least fire Nonis for signing Clarkson.  And I'd fire Carlyle just to give the rest of the season some hope.

 

[brothert]

I guess I would want to keep him around to the bitter end.  I don't believe this team has the makeup to get into the playoffs.  They haven't been since Wilsons days as a coach. Every year they head into the stretch where teams start to buckle down and push for a spot the leafs get exposed for how fragile they really are. Getting rid of Carlyle will mean we could recover and miss the playoffs by a couple of points. I'd rather the players, coach and manager endure the ridicule to the bitter end. And get a better draft spot into the bargain. I'd also be looking to trade franson as he wont be signing with the leafs unless we can't free up some descent cap space. So in short it doesn't look all that rosey. 

 

[Bullfrog]

I would at least fire Nonis for signing Clarkson.  And I'd fire Carlyle just to give the rest of the season some hope.

The Clarkson signing was bad, but Nonis isn't forcing Carlyle to make Clarkson a fixture on the second unit power play. I'd give Carlyle the boot before Nonis.

 

[bustaheims]

The Clarkson signing was bad, but Nonis isn't forcing Carlyle to make Clarkson a fixture on the second unit power play. I'd give Carlyle the boot before Nonis.

Honestly, at this point, I'd give them both the boot at the same time. Carlyle for obvious reasons, and Nonis for not canning Carlyle when he had numerous chances, the Clarkson atrocity, the attempted Bolland atrocity and the lack of much in the way of positive moves under his guidance.

 

[ZBBM]

I'll reiterate my prediction in the GDT: tonight was Carlyle's last game as coach.  He'll be fired tomorrow or Monday.  Why?

1.  Particularly embarrassing loss
2.  Win streak now shown to be mirage
3.  MTL gains first place while we teeter on brink of falling out of playoffs
4.  Going back home, and 3 days before next game
5.  Ex-head coach on staff to keep seat warm rest of season

All these make it easier for Shanahan to pull the trigger.  He then can see what Phaneuf, Kessel, and other lightning rods do under new management, and can reassess whether the core really is as flawed as many of us think it is.

Annoying thing is that I don't think Montreal's roster is much better than the Leafs'.

Me too.  That alone should make Shanahan act.

 

[ZBBM]

The Clarkson signing was bad, but Nonis isn't forcing Carlyle to make Clarkson a fixture on the second unit power play. I'd give Carlyle the boot before Nonis.

Honestly, at this point, I'd give them both the boot at the same time. Carlyle for obvious reasons, and Nonis for not canning Carlyle when he had numerous chances, the Clarkson atrocity, the attempted Bolland atrocity and the lack of much in the way of positive moves under his guidance.

I like this thinking ? bold, decisive, and it agrees with my own.

 

[Zee]

The Clarkson signing was bad, but Nonis isn't forcing Carlyle to make Clarkson a fixture on the second unit power play. I'd give Carlyle the boot before Nonis.

Honestly, at this point, I'd give them both the boot at the same time. Carlyle for obvious reasons, and Nonis for not canning Carlyle when he had numerous chances, the Clarkson atrocity, the attempted Bolland atrocity and the lack of much in the way of positive moves under his guidance.

I say keep them and let the Leafs finish as low in the standings as possible. Hopefully with a little luck and a lottery win they end up with a great draft pick. You can then fire tweedle dee and tweedle dum.

 

[bustaheims]

I say keep them and let the Leafs finish as low in the standings as possible. Hopefully with a little luck and a lottery win they end up with a great draft pick. You can then fire tweedle dee and tweedle dum.

Yeah, that works, too, but, I don't want Nonis running the show for the deadline. Not that I think he's really in charge anymore, but, still.

 

[bustaheims]

mirtle: Leafs have won 91 of 188 games under Carlyle. Only 78 wins in regulation or overtime. Outshot by 1,245 and 43.9% possession.