CBA Agreement Reached

[Joe S.]

I think the idea is that the Leafs ( or whoever ) could also have a penalty, the way Lawton and Friedman were describing it at least, depending on the cap saving involved and of course the possibility of no penalty with LTIR.

The problem is you can't bet on him being injured badly enough to go on LTIR. If the league suspects there are shenanigans going on with it, they're allowed to have an independent physician examine Luongo (or whoever), and if that doctor determines he's fit to play . . . well, you know, it's ungood - likely doubleplusungood.

That's true, I think the notion there was more about the cap implications for any teams involved in trading a long term deal like that but you're right, LTIR as an out is not something to bank on.

Unless you're the Flyers. I understand there's a clause in the CBA that allows them to do as they please when dealing with LTIR.

 

[Corn Flake]

I think the idea is that the Leafs ( or whoever ) could also have a penalty, the way Lawton and Friedman were describing it at least, depending on the cap saving involved and of course the possibility of no penalty with LTIR.

The problem is you can't bet on him being injured badly enough to go on LTIR. If the league suspects there are shenanigans going on with it, they're allowed to have an independent physician examine Luongo (or whoever), and if that doctor determines he's fit to play . . . well, you know, it's ungood - likely doubleplusungood.

That's true, I think the notion there was more about the cap implications for any teams involved in trading a long term deal like that but you're right, LTIR as an out is not something to bank on.

Unless you're the Flyers. I understand there's a clause in the CBA that allows them to do as they please when dealing with LTIR.

Either that or they have a well crafted plan to maime their players via a mob hit or something, rendering them unable to play and going on LTIR.  ie: Probably got Pronger drunk and had him concussed by pushing him off a curb.

 

[Justin]

TSNBobMcKenzie: In a 48-game schedule, there'll be no play between conferences. East plays East and West plays West. But here's the schedule matrix for 48:

TSNBobMcKenzie: Each team plays: 4 games vs. two Divisional opponents (8 ); 5 games vs. two divisional opponents (10); 3 games vs 10 Conference rivals (30).

Please let Boston be one of the "only 4 times" division teams...

Ha! Definitely wouldn't mind seeing Rask, Seguin, and Hamilton less times this season. Boston must love us.

 

[Deebo]

I wonder if somehow compliance buyouts can be used to remove the caphits of existing buyouts, if Burke doesn't want to use the compliance buy out, maybe they can clear up 2M in cap space from Tucker and Armstrong's buyouts next year.

 

[Peter D.]

Can someone clarify something for the 7/8-year limit on contracts provision:

I assumed that the 8 years was applicable to players currently on a team's roster and 7 years for free agents.  However, I heard someone say on the radio yesterday that it applied only to players drafted by the team.  Is that the case?

 

[Tigger]

I wonder if somehow compliance buyouts can be used to remove the caphits of existing buyouts, if Burke doesn't want to use the compliance buy out, maybe they can clear up 2M in cap space from Tucker and Armstrong's buyouts next year.

In theory there's bigger fish just with Komisarek and Liles, enough to throw a pile of dough at Getzlaf or whatever but it's an interesting option if available.

 

[Redleaf]

Can someone clarify something for the 7/8-year limit on contracts provision:

I assumed that the 8 years was applicable to players currently on a team's roster and 7 years for free agents.  However, I heard someone say on the radio yesterday that it applied only to players drafted by the team.  Is that the case?

Not true. It was discussed and clarified on HC yesterday. Player currently playing on team.

 

[Redleaf]

If no camp or trades or schedule until after ratification on Sat/Sun, and season to begin Sat Jan 19, we are looking at a possible 4-5 day camp. Carlyle should have fun implementing systems with that window. :

 

[TimKerr]

I think the idea is that the Leafs ( or whoever ) could also have a penalty, the way Lawton and Friedman were describing it at least, depending on the cap saving involved and of course the possibility of no penalty with LTIR.

The problem is you can't bet on him being injured badly enough to go on LTIR. If the league suspects there are shenanigans going on with it, they're allowed to have an independent physician examine Luongo (or whoever), and if that doctor determines he's fit to play . . . well, you know, it's ungood - likely doubleplusungood.

That's true, I think the notion there was more about the cap implications for any teams involved in trading a long term deal like that but you're right, LTIR as an out is not something to bank on.

Unless you're the Flyers. I understand there's a clause in the CBA that allows them to do as they please when dealing with LTIR.

Either that or they have a well crafted plan to maime their players via a mob hit or something, rendering them unable to play and going on LTIR.  ie: Probably got Pronger drunk and had him concussed by pushing him off a curb.

It seems really hard to believe that the Flyers' record on long-term deals is nothing short of impeccable. I'm astonished that you would even think to make such an accusation.

On a completely unrelated note, I heard Chris Pronger may or may not have been involved in a life-threatening tractor accident

 

[bustaheims]

I wonder if somehow compliance buyouts can be used to remove the caphits of existing buyouts, if Burke doesn't want to use the compliance buy out, maybe they can clear up 2M in cap space from Tucker and Armstrong's buyouts next year.

Extremely unlikely.

 

[bustaheims]

Can someone clarify something for the 7/8-year limit on contracts provision:

I assumed that the 8 years was applicable to players currently on a team's roster and 7 years for free agents.  However, I heard someone say on the radio yesterday that it applied only to players drafted by the team.  Is that the case?

From what I've read, the 8 year provision only applies to players who spent the entire final season of their expiring contract in your organization.

 

[louisstamos]

Can someone clarify something for the 7/8-year limit on contracts provision:

I assumed that the 8 years was applicable to players currently on a team's roster and 7 years for free agents.  However, I heard someone say on the radio yesterday that it applied only to players drafted by the team.  Is that the case?

From what I've read, the 8 year provision only applies to players who spent the entire final season of their expiring contract in your organization.

That answers my question.  So it wouldn't apply to "negotiating window" deals...

This could make sign-and-trades more frequent in the NHL...

 

[Peter D.]

Thanks RedLeaf and Busta.  Figured that would be it.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Daniel Tolensky ‏@dtolensky

If reports are true hypothetically if Preds traded Weber after 6 yrs & he retired with 1 yr left NAS would get $32.9 mil cap hit in 2025-26.

???

 

[bustaheims]

That answers my question.  So it wouldn't apply to "negotiating window" deals...

This could make sign-and-trades more frequent in the NHL...

Well, it could make negotiating window type deals more like sign-and-trade type deals. It also wouldn't surprise me if the final language reads more along the lines of "starting the final season of their existing contract" rather than finishing, so teams could make extend-and-trade type deals.

 

[Joe S.]

If no camp or trades or schedule until after ratification on Sat/Sun, and season to begin Sat Jan 19, we are looking at a possible 4-5 day camp. Carlyle should have fun implementing systems with that window. :

Yes. This is clearly a Leafs only issue.

 

[iwas11in67]

Any idea when we can expect the schedule?

Saturday or Sunday

Thanks Db

 

[Redleaf]

If no camp or trades or schedule until after ratification on Sat/Sun, and season to begin Sat Jan 19, we are looking at a possible 4-5 day camp. Carlyle should have fun implementing systems with that window. :

Yes. This is clearly a Leafs only issue.

I wasn't really trying to frame it as a Leafs only issue. It's obviously a league wide problem. I was just using the Leaf example since this is a Leafs fan site.

 

[Redleaf]

Any idea when we can expect the schedule?

Saturday or Sunday

Thanks Db

We may see a schedule sooner than the weekend if I'm reading this right.

"The schedule isn't expected to be released until after the Board of Governors ratifies the agreement"

Perhaps as early as tomorrow?

 

[bustaheims]

We may see a schedule sooner than the weekend if I'm reading this right.

"The schedule isn't expected to be released until after the Board of Governors ratifies the agreement"

Perhaps as early as tomorrow?

"After" is a delightfully vague term.