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Dave Bolland

freer said:
And if Kessel gets knocked out, then what? Then we are F__ked. Just saying

Having Orr, McLaren or any other enforcer in the lineup isn't going to prevent that from happening, because, they're not deterrents.

I mean, really, outside of a handful of examples over the years, NHL players are decent enough human beings that they don't come into a game with the predetermined intention of injuring another player, and, those rare few that do aren't going to be deterred because they'll have to fight someone afterwards. Most questionable or dirty plays are spur of the moment things. Players see an another player in a vulnerable position or open to a big hit or whatever, and, being a person who will take advantage of those opportunities, they do. They really only have a fraction of a second decide whether or not they're going to make a play there and to make that play. In that time, they're not thinking "does the other team have an enforcer dressed tonight?" or "is this worth getting into a fight over?" because they don't have time to. They're either going to make the questionable/dirty play, because that's who they are, or they're not. Having an enforcer in the lineup does nothing to stop that, because enforcers are protective measures, they're retributive measures - and questionable ones, at that.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
To steer the discussion back toward Bolland, I was just looking through the teams stats and noticed that he had a pretty high PIM total given how many games he played. He had 18 PIM in in 15 games. He took penalties in 7 of the 15 games he played in. He's 6th among forwards on the team in minor penalties taken.

Now, that's a very high pace so I'm sure he wouldn't have stayed on it had he continued playing. But it will be something to keep an eye on when he comes back. Especially since he might be prone to taking some more obstruction-based penalties if his skating is taken down a notch because of his injury.

Does he have a history of taking a large amount of penalties?
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Does he have a history of taking a large amount of penalties?

The last few seasons he's taken about 0.29 minor penalties a game. This season he's at 0.60. So like I said he wasn't going to maintain that pace, but even at .29 he's still up there for the team lead with Kadri. But unlike Kadri he's never been known to draw very many penalties.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
OldTimeHockey said:
Does he have a history of taking a large amount of penalties?

The last few seasons he's taken about 0.29 minor penalties a game. This season he's at 0.60. So like I said he wasn't going to maintain that pace, but even at .29 he's still up there for the team lead with Kadri. But unlike Kadri he's never been known to draw very many penalties.

It'll certainly be interesting to watch. I wonder if there's a place to find stats on 'good' penalties vs 'bad' penalties.
 
bustaheims said:
freer said:
And if Kessel gets knocked out, then what? Then we are F__ked. Just saying

Having Orr, McLaren or any other enforcer in the lineup isn't going to prevent that from happening, because, they're not deterrents.

I mean, really, outside of a handful of examples over the years, NHL players are decent enough human beings that they don't come into a game with the predetermined intention of injuring another player, and, those rare few that do aren't going to be deterred because they'll have to fight someone afterwards. Most questionable or dirty plays are spur of the moment things. Players see an another player in a vulnerable position or open to a big hit or whatever, and, being a person who will take advantage of those opportunities, they do. They really only have a fraction of a second decide whether or not they're going to make a play there and to make that play. In that time, they're not thinking "does the other team have an enforcer dressed tonight?" or "is this worth getting into a fight over?" because they don't have time to. They're either going to make the questionable/dirty play, because that's who they are, or they're not. Having an enforcer in the lineup does nothing to stop that, because enforcers are protective measures, they're retributive measures - and questionable ones, at that.

The game against the Canucks is a perfect example of this - Burrows highsticked Kessel and dropped his gloves trying to entice him into a fight. Did McClaren being on the bench for all but 1 min 32 sec scare him? Not at all.

 
bustaheims said:
I mean, really, outside of a handful of examples over the years, NHL players are decent enough human beings that they don't come into a game with the predetermined intention of injuring another player,

I saw that - and this immediately came to mind:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec_2oKWe2Gw[/youtube]
 
Joe S. said:
I saw that - and this immediately came to mind:

He'd qualify as one of the "handful of examples" I mentioned, but, even he didn't seem to ever come into a game with the intent of injuring anyone.
 
bustaheims said:
Joe S. said:
I saw that - and this immediately came to mind:

He'd qualify as one of the "handful of examples" I mentioned, but, even he didn't seem to ever come into a game with the intent of injuring anyone.

I didn't mean it in any way to take away from your intent - it was more of a funny memory, that's all.
 
BREAKING NEWS:  Bolland skates!!!  This site is dead a doornail, quiet as a church mouse, wait a minute if church mice are so quiet how do we know they are there? 
 
In 15 games, Bolland had 4 assists.  In 17 games, Gleason has 3.  Something doesn't feel right that I'm making this comparison.
 
Zee said:
Dreger saying Bolland is looking for $5M+  *sigh*

Honestly, I don't pay him 5M BEFORE the injury, let alone now.  Bolland has played 6 full years in the NHL, with an additional 1 game audition as a Junior and half-year with the AHL/NHL.

Over that 6 year period he has played 307 games out of 436 possible games.  That works out to 70% of the year and an average of 21.5 games missed per season.  He's not particularly physical (doesn't hit a lot) but does try to block shots and get to the net at times.

He's had a fairly major back injury, concussions and isn't durable in the least.  Offensively he is a mixed bag.  A career high of 47 points but an 82 game pace for 42.  Given that you are only getting an average of 60 games out of Bolland you are really paying for about 30 points.

No thanks.
 

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