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Dave Bolland

Potvin29 said:
Then Leafs sign him for $4 mill and claim a good deal.  Remember Dreger floating Bozak's demands?

I have no doubt that he'll get that and/or more in free agency, but I wouldn't even offer him a pay raise until he steps foot on the ice in a game to be honest.  Not a lot to read out of practices that we aren't attending, and the media is going to nitpick at what he does on the ice, but nothing sounds like we are getting a 100% healthy Bolland back any time soon. 

You wouldn't invest in a car without test driving it a few times, especially if it has been in a few accidents. 
 
L K said:
Potvin29 said:
Then Leafs sign him for $4 mill and claim a good deal.  Remember Dreger floating Bozak's demands?

I have no doubt that he'll get that and/or more in free agency, but I wouldn't even offer him a pay raise until he steps foot on the ice in a game to be honest.  Not a lot to read out of practices that we aren't attending, and the media is going to nitpick at what he does on the ice, but nothing sounds like we are getting a 100% healthy Bolland back any time soon. 

You wouldn't invest in a car without test driving it a few times, especially if it has been in a few accidents.

1 year deal?
 
Tigger said:
L K said:
Potvin29 said:
Then Leafs sign him for $4 mill and claim a good deal.  Remember Dreger floating Bozak's demands?

I have no doubt that he'll get that and/or more in free agency, but I wouldn't even offer him a pay raise until he steps foot on the ice in a game to be honest.  Not a lot to read out of practices that we aren't attending, and the media is going to nitpick at what he does on the ice, but nothing sounds like we are getting a 100% healthy Bolland back any time soon. 

You wouldn't invest in a car without test driving it a few times, especially if it has been in a few accidents.

1 year deal?

Maybe.  Honestly, I think I might consider like 2 years 8 million or 1 year at less money.  Either way, I wouldn't want to commit long term to him.  The Leafs already have Holland who looked NHL ready in his audition (obviously with further expected bumps in the road as a young player).  Then you have a guy like Gauthier in juniors still who looks like a bust offensive at this point but a guy who has supposedly NHL-calibre defensive play already.  To me, that is the kind of player that doesn't really need to be in the minors very long and he should probably be earmarked for that #3 center down the road.
 
Potvin29 said:
Then Leafs sign him for $4 mill and claim a good deal.  Remember Dreger floating Bozak's demands?

What was that again? Something like $6mil?

Anyway, yeah I haven't believed a word Dreger says about anything for long time now. But I'd probably rather give Clarkson $5mil than Bolland.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't sign Bolland for anything more than 2 years. I might go 3 if he's will to take a something at a really good rate, but, it would have to be really something in the team's favour. With Holland now in the system primed to take the 3rd line centre role as early as next season and Gauthier hopefully no more than 2-3 years away from a full time NHL role, there's really no need to commit long-term to him.
 
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper  32m
Bolland seeking 7 or 8 yr #Leafs exten' that could max out over 40m. Is he worth it? Tune into HC @ noon for the latest. FAN590 @Sportsnet

No. NO!

Even if this was just a starting point type request by his agent, if he came to me with those numbers I'd tell him to get the hell out of my office and then throw something at the back of his head while he was leaving.
 
dappleganger said:
One would have to think Bolland could get a deal similar to what Weiss got from Detroit.

I mean, I wouldn't put it past a NHL team to make that sort of offer but it'd be pretty hard to justify that from a production sense. Weiss had some legit years of 20 goals and 60 points when he was negotiating that. Bolland's never hit 50.
 
Nik the Trik said:
dappleganger said:
One would have to think Bolland could get a deal similar to what Weiss got from Detroit.

I mean, I wouldn't put it past a NHL team to make that sort of offer but it'd be pretty hard to justify that from a production sense. Weiss had some legit years of 20 goals and 60 points when he was negotiating that. Bolland's never hit 50.

So more like what Bozak got then?
 
Potvin29 said:
Nik the Trik said:
dappleganger said:
One would have to think Bolland could get a deal similar to what Weiss got from Detroit.

I mean, I wouldn't put it past a NHL team to make that sort of offer but it'd be pretty hard to justify that from a production sense. Weiss had some legit years of 20 goals and 60 points when he was negotiating that. Bolland's never hit 50.

So more like what Bozak got then?

That strikes me as being closer to the mark but even then I'd be surprised if anyone signed Bolland with an eye to him being their first line center.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Potvin29 said:
Nik the Trik said:
dappleganger said:
One would have to think Bolland could get a deal similar to what Weiss got from Detroit.

I mean, I wouldn't put it past a NHL team to make that sort of offer but it'd be pretty hard to justify that from a production sense. Weiss had some legit years of 20 goals and 60 points when he was negotiating that. Bolland's never hit 50.

So more like what Bozak got then?

That strikes me as being closer to the mark but even then I'd be surprised if anyone signed Bolland with an eye to him being their first line center.

Bolland could certainly argue a similar deal from a production standpoint - Bolland, 0.51 PPG career, Bozak, 0.60 PPG (difference of around 7/8 pts over 82 games), much more playoff experience (I think GMs value that) and putting up those comparable points with less ice-time and with less consistent ice-time with players of Kessel's calibre (he has played with Kane in the past).  Both are same age.

Would seem to be a fair comparable for Bolland's camp to take, if they wanted to.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper  32m
Bolland seeking 7 or 8 yr #Leafs exten' that could max out over 40m. Is he worth it? Tune into HC @ noon for the latest. FAN590 @Sportsnet

No. NO!

Even if this was just a starting point type request by his agent, if he came to me with those numbers I'd tell him to get the hell out of my office and then throw something at the back of his head while he was leaving.

This has to be for marketing the deadline.  Absolutely ridiculous. 

I guess next year Kadri + Bernier are going to demand 8 years for  49M.
 
L K said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper  32m
Bolland seeking 7 or 8 yr #Leafs exten' that could max out over 40m. Is he worth it? Tune into HC @ noon for the latest. FAN590 @Sportsnet

No. NO!

Even if this was just a starting point type request by his agent, if he came to me with those numbers I'd tell him to get the hell out of my office and then throw something at the back of his head while he was leaving.

This has to be for marketing the deadline.  Absolutely ridiculous. 

I guess next year Kadri + Bernier are going to demand 8 years for  49M.

I don't really believe it to be honest, even if it was just 'starting high' as an opening offer.
 
Potvin29 said:
Nik the Trik said:
Potvin29 said:
Nik the Trik said:
dappleganger said:
One would have to think Bolland could get a deal similar to what Weiss got from Detroit.

I mean, I wouldn't put it past a NHL team to make that sort of offer but it'd be pretty hard to justify that from a production sense. Weiss had some legit years of 20 goals and 60 points when he was negotiating that. Bolland's never hit 50.

So more like what Bozak got then?

That strikes me as being closer to the mark but even then I'd be surprised if anyone signed Bolland with an eye to him being their first line center.

Bolland could certainly argue a similar deal from a production standpoint - Bolland, 0.51 PPG career, Bozak, 0.60 PPG (difference of around 7/8 pts over 82 games), much more playoff experience (I think GMs value that) and putting up those comparable points with less ice-time and with less consistent ice-time with players of Kessel's calibre (he has played with Kane in the past).  Both are same age.

Would seem to be a fair comparable for Bolland's camp to take, if they wanted to.

I think he can make the Bozak comparable and then flash the two cup rings as the trump card to maybe get a bit more. GM's absolutely value playoff experience and being on cup winning teams.

I don't think teams go deep in the playoffs without a guy who can do what Bolland does.  He will make this team a LOT better once he's back up to speed from the injury and his contributions will be very visible in the post season.
 
Potvin29 said:
Bolland could certainly argue a similar deal from a production standpoint - Bolland, 0.51 PPG career, Bozak, 0.60 PPG (difference of around 7/8 pts over 82 games), much more playoff experience (I think GMs value that) and putting up those comparable points with less ice-time and with less consistent ice-time with players of Kessel's calibre (he has played with Kane in the past).  Both are same age.

Would seem to be a fair comparable for Bolland's camp to take, if they wanted to.

A GM can't ignore Bolland's injury history though. Going into his negotiations, Bozak was essentially injury free in his short career. As LK found, Bolland has missed an average of 21 games a season in the past 6 years. And he's coming off an injury that could have negative long-lasting effects on his game.
 

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