Decisions, decisions

[louisstamos]

It's tough because even though he's got 2 years left, his no-trade kicks in on July 1st, and then you're hamstrung to the teams you can trade him to.  Does he want to come back?  At 29 when his contract ends, what would be considered a reasonable deal for him?  Will he be on this team when they're ready to contend?

I mean, you're definitely getting a 1st round pick+ or a blue chip prospect if you trade him now.  Do you hang on to him in hopes that a) you can retain him, and b) if you can't, he has the same value at the deadline the year his contract expires?

I'm of the mindset that unless you get a really good offer this summer (Trouba?  Barrie?  Top 15 pick?), I'd hang on to him.

 

[TBLeafer]

Yeah pass on the pick.  Pull the trigger on a bona fide #2 young D.

 

[Kin]

It's tough because even though he's got 2 years left, his no-trade kicks in on July 1st, and then you're hamstrung to the teams you can trade him to.  Does he want to come back?  At 29 when his contract ends, what would be considered a reasonable deal for him?  Will he be on this team when they're ready to contend?

I mean, you're definitely getting a 1st round pick+ or a blue chip prospect if you trade him now.  Do you hang on to him in hopes that a) you can retain him, and b) if you can't, he has the same value at the deadline the year his contract expires?

I'm of the mindset that unless you get a really good offer this summer (Trouba?  Barrie?  Top 15 pick?), I'd hang on to him.

Considering all of the year's he'll have played by that point at well under market value, it's hard to imagine that re-signing him won't be very tricky for the Leafs. At that point I think you're best off getting the most you can for him now.

 

[rdowdall]

It's tough because even though he's got 2 years left, his no-trade kicks in on July 1st, and then you're hamstrung to the teams you can trade him to.  Does he want to come back?  At 29 when his contract ends, what would be considered a reasonable deal for him?  Will he be on this team when they're ready to contend?

I mean, you're definitely getting a 1st round pick+ or a blue chip prospect if you trade him now.  Do you hang on to him in hopes that a) you can retain him, and b) if you can't, he has the same value at the deadline the year his contract expires?

I'm of the mindset that unless you get a really good offer this summer (Trouba?  Barrie?  Top 15 pick?), I'd hang on to him.

I'm hopeful that the Leafs are talking to Columbus and Vancouver if they are going to move JVR.  If the Canucks or Blue Jackets are open to moving their picks, then I think a deal could be worked out there.  Nik brought this up in another thread, but the Leafs could offer JVR to Columbus, and get their #3.  The deal could be expanded to include more if the Leafs were open to bringing back a contract from Columbus to help with their salary situation. 

 

[Al14]

It's tough because even though he's got 2 years left, his no-trade kicks in on July 1st, and then you're hamstrung to the teams you can trade him to.  Does he want to come back?  At 29 when his contract ends, what would be considered a reasonable deal for him?  Will he be on this team when they're ready to contend?

I mean, you're definitely getting a 1st round pick+ or a blue chip prospect if you trade him now.  Do you hang on to him in hopes that a) you can retain him, and b) if you can't, he has the same value at the deadline the year his contract expires?

I'm of the mindset that unless you get a really good offer this summer (Trouba?  Barrie?  Top 15 pick?), I'd hang on to him.

I'm hopeful that the Leafs are talking to Columbus and Vancouver if they are going to move JVR.  If the Canucks or Blue Jackets are open to moving their picks, then I think a deal could be worked out there.  Nik brought this up in another thread, but the Leafs could offer JVR to Columbus, and get their #3.  The deal could be expanded to include more if the Leafs were open to bringing back a contract from Columbus to help with their salary situation.

Really, you really think JvR would get us the #3 overall pick from Columbus?  Wow.

I'd do it, I guess, but, who would we draft?  Mikhail Sergachyov, Olli Juolevi, Jacob Chychrun, or, just pick the best player available?

 

[rdowdall]

It's tough because even though he's got 2 years left, his no-trade kicks in on July 1st, and then you're hamstrung to the teams you can trade him to.  Does he want to come back?  At 29 when his contract ends, what would be considered a reasonable deal for him?  Will he be on this team when they're ready to contend?

I mean, you're definitely getting a 1st round pick+ or a blue chip prospect if you trade him now.  Do you hang on to him in hopes that a) you can retain him, and b) if you can't, he has the same value at the deadline the year his contract expires?

I'm of the mindset that unless you get a really good offer this summer (Trouba?  Barrie?  Top 15 pick?), I'd hang on to him.

I'm hopeful that the Leafs are talking to Columbus and Vancouver if they are going to move JVR.  If the Canucks or Blue Jackets are open to moving their picks, then I think a deal could be worked out there.  Nik brought this up in another thread, but the Leafs could offer JVR to Columbus, and get their #3.  The deal could be expanded to include more if the Leafs were open to bringing back a contract from Columbus to help with their salary situation.

Really, you really think JvR would get us the #3 overall pick from Columbus?  Wow.

I'd do it, I guess, but, who would we draft?  Mikhail Sergachyov, Olli Juolevi, Jacob Chychrun, or, just pick the best player available?

Well, I'm not sure that it would be JVR alone.  The framework would probably be JVR + taking back a bad contract for the 3rd pick and then things would have to get hashed out from there.

He's an interesting piece.  He's a top 6 forward with good size, speed and skill.  He's on a great contract for two more years, so a team like Columbus or Vancouver, that wants to win now, he is a great piece to add if they don't want to wait for the draft pick to mature.

 

[Al14]

It's tough because even though he's got 2 years left, his no-trade kicks in on July 1st, and then you're hamstrung to the teams you can trade him to.  Does he want to come back?  At 29 when his contract ends, what would be considered a reasonable deal for him?  Will he be on this team when they're ready to contend?

I mean, you're definitely getting a 1st round pick+ or a blue chip prospect if you trade him now.  Do you hang on to him in hopes that a) you can retain him, and b) if you can't, he has the same value at the deadline the year his contract expires?

I'm of the mindset that unless you get a really good offer this summer (Trouba?  Barrie?  Top 15 pick?), I'd hang on to him.

I'm hopeful that the Leafs are talking to Columbus and Vancouver if they are going to move JVR.  If the Canucks or Blue Jackets are open to moving their picks, then I think a deal could be worked out there.  Nik brought this up in another thread, but the Leafs could offer JVR to Columbus, and get their #3.  The deal could be expanded to include more if the Leafs were open to bringing back a contract from Columbus to help with their salary situation.

Really, you really think JvR would get us the #3 overall pick from Columbus?  Wow.

I'd do it, I guess, but, who would we draft?  Mikhail Sergachyov, Olli Juolevi, Jacob Chychrun, or, just pick the best player available?

Well, I'm not sure that it would be JVR alone.  The framework would probably be JVR + taking back a bad contract for the 3rd pick and then things would have to get hashed out from there.

He's an interesting piece.  He's a top 6 forward with good size, speed and skill.  He's on a great contract for two more years, so a team like Columbus or Vancouver, that wants to win now, he is a great piece to add if they don't want to wait for the draft pick to mature.

Why limit ourselves to Columbus and Vancouver?  What about the Ducks or Avalanche?

 

[rdowdall]

It's tough because even though he's got 2 years left, his no-trade kicks in on July 1st, and then you're hamstrung to the teams you can trade him to.  Does he want to come back?  At 29 when his contract ends, what would be considered a reasonable deal for him?  Will he be on this team when they're ready to contend?

I mean, you're definitely getting a 1st round pick+ or a blue chip prospect if you trade him now.  Do you hang on to him in hopes that a) you can retain him, and b) if you can't, he has the same value at the deadline the year his contract expires?

I'm of the mindset that unless you get a really good offer this summer (Trouba?  Barrie?  Top 15 pick?), I'd hang on to him.

I'm hopeful that the Leafs are talking to Columbus and Vancouver if they are going to move JVR.  If the Canucks or Blue Jackets are open to moving their picks, then I think a deal could be worked out there.  Nik brought this up in another thread, but the Leafs could offer JVR to Columbus, and get their #3.  The deal could be expanded to include more if the Leafs were open to bringing back a contract from Columbus to help with their salary situation.

Really, you really think JvR would get us the #3 overall pick from Columbus?  Wow.

I'd do it, I guess, but, who would we draft?  Mikhail Sergachyov, Olli Juolevi, Jacob Chychrun, or, just pick the best player available?

Well, I'm not sure that it would be JVR alone.  The framework would probably be JVR + taking back a bad contract for the 3rd pick and then things would have to get hashed out from there.

He's an interesting piece.  He's a top 6 forward with good size, speed and skill.  He's on a great contract for two more years, so a team like Columbus or Vancouver, that wants to win now, he is a great piece to add if they don't want to wait for the draft pick to mature.

Why limit ourselves to Columbus and Vancouver?  What about the Ducks or Avalanche?

No those teams would be in play as well, although the targets I think would be different.  In those cases I am not sure you can get the pick from them, although maybe that is what you would want.  I think with those two teams though you would be targeting a player off of their roster.  In Colorado's case you would be going for Tyson Barrie, and in Anahiems case you would be looking at one of their young d-men.  The reasoning behind this would be that the player you could get from them probably has equal or more value to their 1st round pick, although an argument can probably be made that Colorado's 10th overall is more valuable than Tyson Barrie but in both cases it probably wouldn't be a one for one swap. 

 

[Al14]

It's tough because even though he's got 2 years left, his no-trade kicks in on July 1st, and then you're hamstrung to the teams you can trade him to.  Does he want to come back?  At 29 when his contract ends, what would be considered a reasonable deal for him?  Will he be on this team when they're ready to contend?

I mean, you're definitely getting a 1st round pick+ or a blue chip prospect if you trade him now.  Do you hang on to him in hopes that a) you can retain him, and b) if you can't, he has the same value at the deadline the year his contract expires?

I'm of the mindset that unless you get a really good offer this summer (Trouba?  Barrie?  Top 15 pick?), I'd hang on to him.

I'm hopeful that the Leafs are talking to Columbus and Vancouver if they are going to move JVR.  If the Canucks or Blue Jackets are open to moving their picks, then I think a deal could be worked out there.  Nik brought this up in another thread, but the Leafs could offer JVR to Columbus, and get their #3.  The deal could be expanded to include more if the Leafs were open to bringing back a contract from Columbus to help with their salary situation.

Really, you really think JvR would get us the #3 overall pick from Columbus?  Wow.

I'd do it, I guess, but, who would we draft?  Mikhail Sergachyov, Olli Juolevi, Jacob Chychrun, or, just pick the best player available?

Well, I'm not sure that it would be JVR alone.  The framework would probably be JVR + taking back a bad contract for the 3rd pick and then things would have to get hashed out from there.

He's an interesting piece.  He's a top 6 forward with good size, speed and skill.  He's on a great contract for two more years, so a team like Columbus or Vancouver, that wants to win now, he is a great piece to add if they don't want to wait for the draft pick to mature.

Why limit ourselves to Columbus and Vancouver?  What about the Ducks or Avalanche?

No those teams would be in play as well, although the targets I think would be different.  In those cases I am not sure you can get the pick from them, although maybe that is what you would want.  I think with those two teams though you would be targeting a player off of their roster.  In Colorado's case you would be going for Tyson Barrie, and in Anahiems case you would be looking at one of their young d-men.  The reasoning behind this would be that the player you could get from them probably has equal or more value to their 1st round pick, although an argument can probably be made that Colorado's 10th overall is more valuable than Tyson Barrie but in both cases it probably wouldn't be a one for one swap.

I'd take Tyson Barrie for JvR and not look back.

 

[Kin]

For a little clarification's sake my talk about working something out with Columbus had to do with reports at the time of Columbus apparently being unhappy with their options at #3.

 

[rdowdall]

For a little clarification's sake my talk about working something out with Columbus had to do with reports at the time of Columbus apparently being unhappy with their options at #3.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.  I just didn't want to take credit for it as it wasn't my idea.

 

[Tigger]

Yeah pass on the pick.  Pull the trigger on a bona fide #2 young D.

Not that it's likely but if the Leafs could get the Columbus pick, you'd pass on Puljujarvi?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I'd take Tyson Barrie for JvR and not look back.

I don't know that I would, Barrie is apparently looking for around 1.5x the salary of JVR next season, that's a significant commitment to make.

Are you confident making Barrie the highest paid dman on the team and giving Colorado a 30 goal scorer for the privilege?

Personally, I'd be looking to move JVR for another blue chip pick or prospect and then try and get a guy like Campbell on a two-year deal for around 4/5 a season until one of the younger guys that you have better cost control over emerges.

 

[Al14]

I'd take Tyson Barrie for JvR and not look back.

I don't know that I would, Barrie is apparently looking for around 1.5x the salary of JVR next season, that's a significant commitment to make.

Are you confident making Barrie the highest paid dman on the team and giving Colorado a 30 goal scorer for the privilege?

Personally, I'd be looking to move JVR for another blue chip pick or prospect and then try and get a guy like Campbell on a two-year deal for around 4/5 a season until one of the younger guys that you have better cost control over emerges.

Sorry, I just don't see how Campbell fits, even short term.  Tyson Barrie is only 24.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I'd take Tyson Barrie for JvR and not look back.

I don't know that I would, Barrie is apparently looking for around 1.5x the salary of JVR next season, that's a significant commitment to make.

Are you confident making Barrie the highest paid dman on the team and giving Colorado a 30 goal scorer for the privilege?

Personally, I'd be looking to move JVR for another blue chip pick or prospect and then try and get a guy like Campbell on a two-year deal for around 4/5 a season until one of the younger guys that you have better cost control over emerges.

Sorry, I just don't see how Campbell fits, even short term.  Tyson Barrie is only 24.

It's not Barrie vs Campbell(although both are PP QB kind of guys) it's Campbell plus another potential blue chip prospect we get for JVR instead of Barrie who want to be the highest paid player on the Leafs defense...

Campbell gives you two years for one or more of your young d to grow into a Barrie type.

 

[Al14]

I'd take Tyson Barrie for JvR and not look back.

I don't know that I would, Barrie is apparently looking for around 1.5x the salary of JVR next season, that's a significant commitment to make.

Are you confident making Barrie the highest paid dman on the team and giving Colorado a 30 goal scorer for the privilege?

Personally, I'd be looking to move JVR for another blue chip pick or prospect and then try and get a guy like Campbell on a two-year deal for around 4/5 a season until one of the younger guys that you have better cost control over emerges.

Sorry, I just don't see how Campbell fits, even short term.  Tyson Barrie is only 24.

It's not Barrie vs Campbell(although both are PP QB kind of guys) it's Campbell plus another potential blue chip prospect we get for JVR instead of Barrie who want to be the highest paid player on the Leafs defense...

Campbell gives you two years for one or more of your young d to grow into a Barrie type.

What do you have against Barrie?  I'm not sure we have another Barrie type prospect in our system to develop.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

What do you have against Barrie?  I'm not sure we have another Barrie type prospect in our system to develop.

Barrie is only two years younger than JVR and next season he is probably going to make close to $2million more than him and he's going to want that money for at least 4/5 years too.

If you can get a guy like Campbell who can maybe give you 80% of what Barrie can for a season or two and then turn JVR into another bluechip prospect/pick and trust that with the 20 or so picks we have over the next two years we will develop a Barrie comparable who will cost significantly less.

The truth is we don't know what we have in Zaitsev and Carrick who could both come close to giving you the same type of contribution as Barrie.

It's smart asset management/cap management for a rebuilding team who doesn't need to give up a 30 goal scorer for the privilege of signing a guy to eat close to 10% of the cap.

 

[bustaheims]

What do you have against Barrie?  I'm not sure we have another Barrie type prospect in our system to develop.

I think the issue is less about whether or not the Leafs have a Barrie in the system, but whether or not Barrie - a small, but good puck moving defenceman who doesn't get PK time in Colorado - is the type of defenceman the Leafs need. I'm not so sure he is. The Leafs have a number of small defencemen who are good puck movers. What they need is someone with a little more bite to their game than that - not a pure bruiser, but a good skater who has a little more size, and can play a little more of a physical game in the defensive end when the need arises - basically, they need someone who can handle the some of the bigger, more powerful forwards in the game, as well as having the types of attributes Barrie can bring. Basically, they need a Chris Pronger type.

 

[Tigger]

Yeah. If it was possible to make a deal for say, Trouba, that might be more in line with the team needs ( though I doubt that deal is possible, especially after they draft Laine ). A younger dman who can play todays game with some size and sandpaper would be more desirable. For argument, both Barrie and Trouba are rumoured to want big deals but I think Trouba would get something closer to Rielly's deal than Barrie's supposed ask.

 

[herman]

Is there a right handed Victor Hedman out there?
That's kind of what I'm hoping to draft/acquire.