Game 43: Leafs @ Capitals - Apr. 16, 7:00pm - TSN, TSN 1050

[ZBBM]

Well, second half of a back to back, against one of the hotter teams in the league...only so much you can expect.

True.

Still, I just looked it up and we have been outshot 31 out of 42 games.  And 4 of the 11 games where we outshot the opposition were in January.  That's gotta catch up with a team after awhile.

 

[pnjunction]

I actually just realized that was only the 2nd and the game isn't even over...(in that 60 minutes has not been played yet anyways)

Do we have to play the 3rd period??

 

[Stronger Than All]

Seeing as the Leafs only played about 6 minutes last night, you would think they would bother to show up.  Good thing Carlyle sent a message by taking out that bum Matt Frattin.

And MacArthur.  Not like we need some players who can play offensively.

Frattin - 1pt in 12 games, MacArthur - 1pt in last 6. Not much offense from those two.

Players slump.  They play a far more complete game than either Orr or McLaren.  You can even then spread the ice time out more evenly, especially on a back to back.

EDIT: Orr has 1 point in 20 games. McLaren has 2 in 18.  At least MacArthur & Frattin are players that have skill beyond fighting and lucking their way into a couple points every now and then.  Way better options if you're just going to healthy scratch them.

The thing is, you can't compare Orr and Mclaren to them. They have very specific roles on this
team and coach values their contribution. To Carlyles credit, he is taking us to playoffs so his game plans and line ups are working. Yes i know last two games are ugly but overall its a very solid season. I don't mind at all having Orr and Mclaren in line up. The way Frattin have been playing and Looking at this game, I can't imagine how him or MacArthur could have done anything to spark this team or create any offense. They also generally play well when whole team plays well.

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[L K]

Well, second half of a back to back, against one of the hotter teams in the league...only so much you can expect.

True.

Still, I just looked it up and we have been outshot 31 out of 42 games.  And 4 of the 11 games where we outshot the opposition were in January.  That's gotta catch up with a team after awhile.

In comparison -
the 06/07 were 3rd in shots/game and 7th in shots against - missed playoffs
07/08 - 5th in shots, 17th in shots against
09/10 - 5th in shots, 13th in shots against

All of those teams missed the playoffs.  Raw shot totals means nothing.  It's all about quality scoring chances.  Tonight, the Leafs have given up a plethora of high quality scoring chances.  In most of their other games, the high quality scoring chances have been minimal.  Weak shots from a distance when the goalie isn't screened isn't a sign of a bad team.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Well, second half of a back to back, against one of the hotter teams in the league...only so much you can expect.

True.

Still, I just looked it up and we have been outshot 31 out of 42 games.  And 4 of the 11 games where we outshot the opposition were in January.  That's gotta catch up with a team after awhile.

In comparison -
the 06/07 were 3rd in shots/game and 7th in shots against - missed playoffs
07/08 - 5th in shots, 17th in shots against
09/10 - 5th in shots, 13th in shots against

All of those teams missed the playoffs.  Raw shot totals means nothing.  It's all about quality scoring chances.  Tonight, the Leafs have given up a plethora of high quality scoring chances.  In most of their other games, the high quality scoring chances have been minimal.  Weak shots from a distance when the goalie isn't screened isn't a sign of a bad team.

I'm not sure teams can consistently reduce 'shot quality.'  The Leafs missing the playoffs was mostly because they had some of the consistently worst goaltending in the league.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Well, second half of a back to back, against one of the hotter teams in the league...only so much you can expect.

True.

Still, I just looked it up and we have been outshot 31 out of 42 games.  And 4 of the 11 games where we outshot the opposition were in January.  That's gotta catch up with a team after awhile.

And after last night's effort they should of been well rested.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

comeback time!

 

[13th fan]

GRABBO !!!

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Nice tip by Grabovski

 

[13th fan]

Little dive there

 

[OldTimeHockey]

How is that not a dive? That one was for the highlight reels!

 

[ZBBM]

Well, maybe that will get Grabbo going anyhow.

 

[azzurri63]

Well, second half of a back to back, against one of the hotter teams in the league...only so much you can expect.

True.

Still, I just looked it up and we have been outshot 31 out of 42 games.  And 4 of the 11 games where we outshot the opposition were in January.  That's gotta catch up with a team after awhile.

In comparison -
the 06/07 were 3rd in shots/game and 7th in shots against - missed playoffs
07/08 - 5th in shots, 17th in shots against
09/10 - 5th in shots, 13th in shots against

All of those teams missed the playoffs.  Raw shot totals means nothing.  It's all about quality scoring chances.  Tonight, the Leafs have given up a plethora of high quality scoring chances.  In most of their other games, the high quality scoring chances have been minimal.  Weak shots from a distance when the goalie isn't screened isn't a sign of a bad team.

Being outshot is one thing. Being outshot and outplayed by a large margin is another. You telling me the Devils Didnt have any quality chances last night. Tell you one thing they had more than us. I think most of us feel we have been outplayed badly lately. Even the mtl game we were outplayed. Am I happy we have been winning. For sure but I would rather us play well than what they have been showing lately and to be honest it's not just the last 3 games.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

One thing is for sure, despite the score, Scrivens has played quite well.

 

[L K]

Phaneuf yells at the linesman for getting in his way and tripping him up.  Moments later a weak call against the Leafs...hmmm.

 

[ZBBM]

Well, second half of a back to back, against one of the hotter teams in the league...only so much you can expect.

True.

Still, I just looked it up and we have been outshot 31 out of 42 games.  And 4 of the 11 games where we outshot the opposition were in January.  That's gotta catch up with a team after awhile.

In comparison -
the 06/07 were 3rd in shots/game and 7th in shots against - missed playoffs
07/08 - 5th in shots, 17th in shots against
09/10 - 5th in shots, 13th in shots against

All of those teams missed the playoffs.  Raw shot totals means nothing.  It's all about quality scoring chances.  Tonight, the Leafs have given up a plethora of high quality scoring chances.  In most of their other games, the high quality scoring chances have been minimal.  Weak shots from a distance when the goalie isn't screened isn't a sign of a bad team.

I get the nuances.  But your bolded statement is just wrong.  Consistently getting outshot like we have, often by a large margin, means a lot -- in terms of time spent in your zone (and its mirror, the lack of time spent in the offensive zone), the likelihood of getting those HQ scoring chances, etc.

 

[azzurri63]

One thing is for sure, despite the score, Scrivens has played quite well.

Goaltending has not been our problem. THIS YEAR.

 

[Kin]

I get the nuances.  But your bolded statement is just wrong.  Consistently getting outshot like we have, often by a large margin, means a lot -- in terms of time spent in your zone (and its mirror, the lack of time spent in the offensive zone), the likelihood of getting those HQ scoring chances, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree but shot totals are a lousy way to express that. Scoring a quick goal is one shot and little time in the other team's zone whereas cycling the puck for 2 minutes might yield 6 shots and nothing else.

Time spent in the offensive zone is an ok measurement of a team's general efficiency but shots against shouldn't substitute for it. That should just be one of the numbers they count.

 

[ZBBM]

I get the nuances.  But your bolded statement is just wrong.  Consistently getting outshot like we have, often by a large margin, means a lot -- in terms of time spent in your zone (and its mirror, the lack of time spent in the offensive zone), the likelihood of getting those HQ scoring chances, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree but shot totals are a lousy way to express that. Scoring a quick goal is one shot and little time in the other team's zone whereas cycling the puck for 2 minutes might yield 6 shots and nothing else.

Time spent in the offensive zone is an ok measurement of a team's general efficiency but shots against shouldn't substitute for it. That should just be one of the numbers they count.

I wouldn't say lousy.  Like any single stat, it doesn't tell the whole story.  But it's a good proxy.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

ohffs????.