Game 6: Leafs @ Sabres 7:00PM LeafsTV

[Bender]

From TSN:

Grigorenko, the Sabres' first-round choice in the 2012 draft, tied it 3-all at 7:10 of the third period with a deftly placed backhander from the slot. He made amends for being on the ice for the first three Toronto goals.

And we go on and on about how we're a team of firsts. Rarely do we give credit to the bigger picture, which is, to some extent, we exposed a player's inexperience and capitalized.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm not a Leaf hater by any stretch.. but Phaneuf does seem to miss the net quite a lot.

Those D who shoot the puck a lot tend to also miss the net a lot, too.  10 defensemen took over 200 shots last season, including Phaneuf (202), and he was one of 5 who had 200+ shots and >100 misses.  Like I've said, he doesn't seem to miss the net at any significantly greater or lesser rate than the other defensemen around the league who shoot the puck a lot, so I don't understand the constant criticism of him for it.  It is akin to Kaberle having a high number of shots, but being criticized for never shooting.

In fact last year among Leafs D, his missed shot-to-shot on goal ratio looks pretty even with almost every other D other than Gardiner, who missed almost as much as he shot on goal (55 misses, 79 on net).

 

[Britishbulldog]

My Italian Frattino. Called it last year kid has some potential. Hope they don't ruin or trade him.

Is there anything you haven't called?

His mother. He should. She worries.

LOL  ;D

LOL!!  as well...

 

[Edeagle]

I'm not a Leaf hater by any stretch.. but Phaneuf does seem to miss the net quite a lot.

Those D who shoot the puck a lot tend to also miss the net a lot, too.  10 defensemen took over 200 shots last season, including Phaneuf (202), and he was one of 5 who had 200+ shots and >100 misses.  Like I've said, he doesn't seem to miss the net at any significantly greater or lesser rate than the other defensemen around the league who shoot the puck a lot, so I don't understand the constant criticism of him for it.  It is akin to Kaberle having a high number of shots, but being criticized for never shooting.

In fact last year among Leafs D, his missed shot-to-shot on goal ratio looks pretty even with almost every other D other than Gardiner, who missed almost as much as he shot on goal (55 misses, 79 on net).

Why does that matter? He still misses a lot. I just wish he would keep it low for rebounds instead of trying to snipe or bank.. he's got a real hard shot, make the goalie save it.

 

[Steel_Wind]

JVR looked slow vs. Buffalo -- VERY slow and simply out of gas for most of the third. He doesn't have the wheels to play on the 1st line. They will probably give him another shot at it vs. the Caps -- but I don't think he's got the wheels.

 

[Edeagle]

JVR looked slow vs. Buffalo -- VERY slow and simply out of gas for most of the third. He doesn't have the wheels to play on the 1st line. They will probably give him another shot at it vs. the Caps -- but I don't think he's got the wheels.

I thought he looked good in the corners.. had a few good cycles going there.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm not a Leaf hater by any stretch.. but Phaneuf does seem to miss the net quite a lot.

Those D who shoot the puck a lot tend to also miss the net a lot, too.  10 defensemen took over 200 shots last season, including Phaneuf (202), and he was one of 5 who had 200+ shots and >100 misses.  Like I've said, he doesn't seem to miss the net at any significantly greater or lesser rate than the other defensemen around the league who shoot the puck a lot, so I don't understand the constant criticism of him for it.  It is akin to Kaberle having a high number of shots, but being criticized for never shooting.

In fact last year among Leafs D, his missed shot-to-shot on goal ratio looks pretty even with almost every other D other than Gardiner, who missed almost as much as he shot on goal (55 misses, 79 on net).

Why does that matter? He still misses a lot.

But you're removing all context from it.  Andrew Raycroft, out of context, had 37 wins one season.

 

[Bender]

My Italian Frattino. Called it last year kid has some potential. Hope they don't ruin or trade him.

Is there anything you haven't called?

His mother. He should. She worries.

LOL  ;D

LOL!!  as well...

Post of the year.

 

[Bender]

JVR looked slow vs. Buffalo -- VERY slow and simply out of gas for most of the third. He doesn't have the wheels to play on the 1st line. They will probably give him another shot at it vs. the Caps -- but I don't think he's got the wheels.

I thought he looked good in the corners.. had a few good cycles going there.

I didn't see a problem with JVR at all tonight.

 

[Edeagle]

I'm not a Leaf hater by any stretch.. but Phaneuf does seem to miss the net quite a lot.

Those D who shoot the puck a lot tend to also miss the net a lot, too.  10 defensemen took over 200 shots last season, including Phaneuf (202), and he was one of 5 who had 200+ shots and >100 misses.  Like I've said, he doesn't seem to miss the net at any significantly greater or lesser rate than the other defensemen around the league who shoot the puck a lot, so I don't understand the constant criticism of him for it.  It is akin to Kaberle having a high number of shots, but being criticized for never shooting.

In fact last year among Leafs D, his missed shot-to-shot on goal ratio looks pretty even with almost every other D other than Gardiner, who missed almost as much as he shot on goal (55 misses, 79 on net).

Why does that matter? He still misses a lot.

But you're removing all context from it.  Andrew Raycroft, out of context, had 37 wins one season.

That is a good season by Raycroft though.. we just barely missed the play-offs. The next season he was 2-9-5.

 

[Rebel_1812]

This team does love giving up NHL firsts.

Who else got their first?  Drawing a blank trying to think.

It was Grigo, he was the guy the leaf should have taken in the draft.

 

[Bender]

I'm not a Leaf hater by any stretch.. but Phaneuf does seem to miss the net quite a lot.

Those D who shoot the puck a lot tend to also miss the net a lot, too.  10 defensemen took over 200 shots last season, including Phaneuf (202), and he was one of 5 who had 200+ shots and >100 misses.  Like I've said, he doesn't seem to miss the net at any significantly greater or lesser rate than the other defensemen around the league who shoot the puck a lot, so I don't understand the constant criticism of him for it.  It is akin to Kaberle having a high number of shots, but being criticized for never shooting.

In fact last year among Leafs D, his missed shot-to-shot on goal ratio looks pretty even with almost every other D other than Gardiner, who missed almost as much as he shot on goal (55 misses, 79 on net).

Why does that matter? He still misses a lot.

But you're removing all context from it.  Andrew Raycroft, out of context, had 37 wins one season.

That is a good season by Raycroft though.. we just barely missed the play-offs. The next season he was 2-9-5.

That was a terrible season by Raycroft! Are you kidding me?? He only had 37 wins because of how many games he played. It was a decent season by the rest of the team in goals for, but defense was somewhat poor and Raycroft was just terrible.

How can you not see that this is exactly what Potvin29 is referring to when you talk about context. Talking about wins without  at least backing it up with statistics or analysis to help build a case that a goaltender is good or bad is OUT OF CONTEXT. 

 

[Bender]

This team does love giving up NHL firsts.

Who else got their first?  Drawing a blank trying to think.

It was Grigo, he was the guy the leaf should have taken in the draft.

He said who else.

You're one upping Azzuri and saying you called it before Rielly even plays a game. Wow.

 

[Rebel_1812]

This team does love giving up NHL firsts.

Who else got their first?  Drawing a blank trying to think.

It was Grigo, he was the guy the leaf should have taken in the draft.

He said who else.

You're one upping Azzuri and saying you called it before Rielly even plays a game. Wow.

Barry Trapp said he would have took Chris Stewart over tlusty before either played a game on his way out of the organization.  Time showed that to be the better pick.  Offensive dmen are not as rare as skilled centres with size.

 

[Bonsixx]

Man, I'm digging the Centre Ice package, it's the first time I ever ordered it, so it's nice to be able to watch all the weekday Leaf games, but I don't know how much more Joe Bowen I can handle. What was up with him chuckling loudly for about 20 seconds straight after asking one of the other guys if they wear briefs or boxers?

Like, shut up and call the game.

That said, nice win for the Leafs. Reimer was pretty solid overall, I'm enjoying Kadri's work ethic and Frattin is looking like a guy who wants to stick. Kessel was a pile of meh, but everyone knows he's on the brink of an absolute tear, so whatever.

Also, maybe they should be setting Franson up as the main power-play weapon from the point instead of Phaneuf? Just a thought...

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Great win, total man-crush on Frattin.

I wonder if Hamilton gets the call from the Marlies if Brown can't go Thursday or if they call up someone with some waiver protection.

 

[Bender]

This team does love giving up NHL firsts.

Who else got their first?  Drawing a blank trying to think.

It was Grigo, he was the guy the leaf should have taken in the draft.

He said who else.

You're one upping Azzuri and saying you called it before Rielly even plays a game. Wow.

Barry Trapp said he would have took Chris Stewart over tlusty before either played a game on his way out of the organization.  Time showed that to be the better pick.  Offensive dmen are not as rare as skilled centres with size.

I would've taken Claude Giroux knowing what we know now. Giroux didn't have size and he was passed until the Flyers picked him. What's your point? I'm not sure how you can use two picks in a different draft and based on that without a shadow of a doubt Grigorenko should have been picked. I don't know about you but I'm not arrogant enough to say who they should've picked as something that's universally true like I have some kind of psychiatric knowledge of how they will pan out. Instead it's more of a personal preference based on our own extremely limited viewing of the players in question. 

Further to that point, since we're cherry picking drafts here. Who would you rather have, Martin Hanzal or Kris Letang?

 

[PG]

That was a huge win. Another loss after having the lead would have been devastating. Frattin was the best player on the ice IMO so it was awesome to see him get the winner.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Gotta figure out how to win at home. 3-1 on road...0-2 at hme. Maybe they should stay at a hotel in TO this week

 

[Zee]

Gotta figure out how to win at home. 3-1 on road...0-2 at hme. Maybe they should stay at a hotel in TO this week

Need to figure this out quick, 3 game homestand starts now.